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DATE 2013-12-29
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] NSA ruling error
On 12/28/2013 07:18 PM, Ross Bernheim wrote:
> Ruben,
>
> I think that what disappoints me most is the Judge?s lack of understanding of intelligence work.
>
> We had plenty of information to stop the 9-11 attacks. We even had people trying to get the attention of their superiors to pay attention to the
> information that we had and do something about it.
>
> More data collection is not the problem. The real problem is an overload of information and a lack of analysts to attend to it. We have also
> instituted a privatization program to move intelligence gathering and analysis out of the NSA to private contractors and a massive duplication
> and waste and lack of oversight.
>
> The ?We must collect everything!? meme is based on the false assumption that missing one piece of data would cause us to miss a terrorist
> threat. The reality is there are always plenty of data. It is the analysis area that is short and adding more data just makes the haystack they have
> to shift through less manageable. And as we saw with 9-11 even when analysts flag the danger, it is not acted on.
>
> ?Terrorist threat? ?Think of the children? and other jingoist fear mongering does not lead to answers that solve the problems.
>
> NPR had a story about the coverage of a chemical fertilizer explosion in Texas about the same time as the Boston Marathon bombing.
> Lack of followup and enforcement of regulations were largely responsible for the divesting explosion and since then no real change in oversight
> or enforcement of regulations of dangerous chemicals in urban areas has taken place. But mention ?Terrorist? and we fall all over ourselves to
> prevent an ?attack?. The unsuccessful shoe bomber has us all either taking off our shoes at the airport of paying money and giving up privacy to
> avoid the inconvenience. What about the underwear bomber?
>
>
> Ross
>
> On Dec 28, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
>>
>> Note:
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/25529677
>> This judge is a total asshole and a danger to the pubic
>>
>> Call his chambers and tell him you can't accept the government
>> eroding your 4th amendment protections, regardless of what individuals may
>> or may not do in our private lives.
>>
>> The Judges Chambers telephone number is:
>>
>> Hon. William H. Pauley III
>> United States District Judge
>>
>> Daniel Patrick Moynihan
>> United States Courthouse
>> 500 Pearl St.
>> New York, NY 10007-1312
>>
>>
>> Courtroom: 20B
>> Chambers Phone: (212) 805-6387
>>
>> Deputy Phone: (212) 805-6393
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> December 2013 Last updated at 13:23 ET
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>> NSA surveillance lawful, judge rules
>>
>> The surveillance programme was leaked by former National Security Agency
>> contractor, Edward Snowden
>> Continue reading the main story
>> Spy leaks
>>
>> How intelligence is gathered
>> History of spying
>> NSA secrets failure
>> 'Five eyes' club
>>
>> A US federal judge has ruled that mass government surveillance of the
>> phone network is legal, a week after another court said the opposite.
>>
>> New York District Judge William Pauley described the snooping as a
>> "counter-punch" against al-Qaeda.
>>
>> He said the National Security Agency (NSA) programme might even have
>> prevented the 9/11 attacks.
>>
>> Last week a Washington DC federal judge ruled the surveillance was
>> "likely unconstitutional" and "Orwellian".
>>
>> But in Friday's decision, Judge Pauley, of the US District Court for the
>> Southern District of New York, said "the balance of equities and the
>> public interest tilt firmly in favour of the Government's position".
>> 'Extremely disappointed'
>>
>> In his 53-page ruling, he concluded: "The right to be free from searches
>> and seizures is fundamental, but not absolute."
>> Continue reading the main story
>> How intelligence is gathered
>> How intelligence is gathered
>>
>> Accessing internet company data
>> Tapping fibre optic cables
>> Eavesdropping on phones
>> Targeted spying
>>
>> Read more in our in-depth report
>> How the US spy scandal unravelled
>> Profile: Edward Snowden
>>
>> He also noted: "Every day, people voluntarily surrender personal and
>> seemingly-private information to trans-national corporations, which
>> exploit that data for profit.
>>
>> "Few think twice about it, even though it is far more intrusive than
>> bulk telephony metadata collection.
>>
>> "There is no evidence that the Government has used any of the bulk
>> telephony metadata it collected for any purpose other than investigating
>> and disrupting terrorist attacks."
>>
>> Judge Pauley dismissed a lawsuit brought by the American Civil Liberties
>> Union (ACLU), which told the BBC it would appeal.
>>
>> "We are extremely disappointed with this decision, which misinterprets
>> the relevant statutes, understates the privacy implications of the
>> government's surveillance and misapplies a narrow and outdated precedent
>> to read away core constitutional protections," said the civil rights
>> organisation's deputy legal director, Jameel Jaffer.
>>
>> The Obama administration, which has been on the defensive over the NSA
>> revelations, welcomed the ruling.
>>
>> "We are pleased the court found the NSA's bulk telephony metadata
>> collection program to be lawful," US Department of Justice spokesman
>> Peter Carr told the BBC.
>> 'Arbitrary invasion'
>>
>> Friday's ruling contradicts that on 16 December by Washington DC federal
>> Judge Richard Leon, who said the NSA's surveillance was "indiscriminate"
>> and an "arbitrary invasion".
>>
>> His 68-page decision backed a conservative activist's legal challenge on
>> the merits of the Fourth Amendment, the clause in the US constitution
>> barring unreasonable search and seizure by the government.
>>
>> Judge Leon suspended his ruling pending an appeal by the justice
>> department, enabling the programme to continue for now.
>>
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>

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  2. 2013-12-01 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  3. 2013-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
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  6. 2013-12-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Facebook supports open-source software course
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