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DATE 2013-12-01

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MESSAGE
DATE 2013-12-29
FROM Ron Guerin
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error
On 12/28/2013 05:46 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/25529677
> This judge is a total asshole and a danger to the pubic
>
> Call his chambers and tell him you can't accept the government
> eroding your 4th amendment protections, regardless of what individuals may
> or may not do in our private lives.

Save some of your anger for the judges whose fault this is. An absurd
Supreme Court ruling from 1979 underpins the whole thing, and you can't
expect correct outcomes to flow from incorrectly decided SCOTUS cases.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland

"First, we doubt that people in general entertain any actual expectation
of privacy in the numbers they dial. All telephone users realize that
they must "convey" phone numbers to the telephone company, since it is
through telephone company switching equipment that their calls are
completed."

I doubt that anyone has /ever/ dialed a phone number with anything /but/
an expectation of privacy, unless they suspected an illegal violation of
their privacy was for some reason, in-progress. It's a private business
transaction between you and the phone company. There's nothing remotely
public about it. It would have been unreasonable to think your phone
dialing was anything but private until SCOTUS gave cover to such
activities. /They/ and they alone, created the possibility that people
might have a reasonable expectation that someone somewhere, was probably
violating the constitution under color of office.

- Ron

  1. 2013-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  2. 2013-12-01 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  3. 2013-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  4. 2013-12-02 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Facebook supports open-source software course
  5. 2013-12-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  6. 2013-12-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Facebook supports open-source software course
  7. 2013-12-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Facebook supports open-source software course
  8. 2013-12-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  9. 2013-12-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Hot jobs at HP OMS
  10. 2013-12-04 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  11. 2013-12-04 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  12. 2013-12-04 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  13. 2013-12-04 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  14. 2013-12-04 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  15. 2013-12-04 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  16. 2013-12-04 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
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  18. 2013-12-04 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] double-entendres
  19. 2013-12-04 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
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  21. 2013-12-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Big Mike Richardson
  22. 2013-12-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  23. 2013-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest perhaps Thursday?
  24. 2013-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  25. 2013-12-10 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest perhaps Thursday?
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  29. 2013-12-12 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  30. 2013-12-12 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  31. 2013-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  32. 2013-12-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
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  36. 2013-12-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] and in real news this week...
  37. 2013-12-17 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [luny-talk] Explain Shell!
  38. 2013-12-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hacked linux boxes
  39. 2013-12-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] who watches the wathers
  40. 2013-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  41. 2013-12-20 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
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  46. 2013-12-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error
  47. 2013-12-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
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  50. 2013-12-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] NSA ruling error
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  52. 2013-12-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
  53. 2013-12-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error
  54. 2013-12-30 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
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