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MESSAGE
DATE 2013-12-31
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:53:33PM -0500, Ron Guerin wrote:
> On 12/30/2013 12:18 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 09:23:13AM -0500, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> >> well in this case the NSA is the gorilla with a 50 caliber machine gun
> >> its absurd but there it is.
> >
> >
> > I wonder if the activities of the NSA reach the bar of the need for a
> > violent revolution. If the government is tracking every individual,
> > it's intent is irrelevent. It becomes a police state unable to protect
> > individual rights or to remain in the limited roll which it is supposed
> > to be relegated to.
> >
> > This would be justification for a violent response.
> >
> > We can not allow government to track and tag every individual in the
> > country without a warrent or evidence of criminal activity.
>
> It's been a police state since 9/11, particularly in New York City. The
> NSA is a reflection of that. And sadly most of your fellow Americans
> are perfectly OK with that. None of this is news.
>

Or maybe not. They just threw the old regime out after 20 years, not
that the new guy is going to provide any proper address or relief.



> Rather than venting your words in ways that will get everything in your
> home pumped full of NYPD lead, i


I thought we had gun control in New York.

> perhaps you should do what you do best,
> and organize people politically. There's a difference between slimy and
> evil. The people running the spying right now appear to be the former
> rather than the latter. There's no need for a revolution, just an
> election. That which is, can still be dismantled without violence. But
> first you need to get your fellow countrymen to stop behaving like
> whining frightened children. They throw around the words freedom and
> liberty a lot, but have no idea what those words really mean. They say
> they want to live in a free society, but their actions say otherwise.


It is not up to the Government, which has real police powers inherent to
it's existence and without which it could not function, to have the
extra-constitutional power that this court has allowed for, regardless
of it's motivations.

Furthermore, it is not proper for the government to compare it's
constiutional restrictions which are built to protect the public becuse
government has police and militia powers, with the volunteered
informatio given to facebook, regardless of how stupid people are with
that as well.

Finally, I'm not confident that the current generation of children can
understand what has happened because they were born into this
restrictive environment and fed steady 24/7 propaganda from the iphones.

Large numbers would be more upset if their crackberry/iphones where
taken away than if they were stop and frisked.

Thank God for Shabbos when we Jews turn the fucking things off and live
free for 26 hours.


Ruben




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  1. 2013-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  2. 2013-12-01 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  3. 2013-12-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  4. 2013-12-02 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Facebook supports open-source software course
  5. 2013-12-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  6. 2013-12-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Facebook supports open-source software course
  7. 2013-12-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Facebook supports open-source software course
  8. 2013-12-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  9. 2013-12-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Hot jobs at HP OMS
  10. 2013-12-04 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  11. 2013-12-04 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  12. 2013-12-04 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  13. 2013-12-04 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  14. 2013-12-04 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  15. 2013-12-04 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  16. 2013-12-04 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  17. 2013-12-04 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] double-entendres
  18. 2013-12-04 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] double-entendres
  19. 2013-12-04 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  20. 2013-12-04 eminker-at-gmail.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Big Mike Richardson
  21. 2013-12-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Big Mike Richardson
  22. 2013-12-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Holiday Gathering
  23. 2013-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest perhaps Thursday?
  24. 2013-12-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] laptop repair
  25. 2013-12-10 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest perhaps Thursday?
  26. 2013-12-11 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  27. 2013-12-11 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  28. 2013-12-12 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  29. 2013-12-12 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  30. 2013-12-12 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  31. 2013-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  32. 2013-12-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  33. 2013-12-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] bored
  34. 2013-12-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] women are bigots!
  35. 2013-12-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Gimp Magazine
  36. 2013-12-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] and in real news this week...
  37. 2013-12-17 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [luny-talk] Explain Shell!
  38. 2013-12-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hacked linux boxes
  39. 2013-12-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] who watches the wathers
  40. 2013-12-20 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  41. 2013-12-20 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Minimum GUI Linux
  42. 2013-12-22 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [Israel.pm] New job opening - Perl based system <-> SAP-PI integration
  43. 2013-12-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] the mta has a message for you
  44. 2013-12-25 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-meetup.com: Invitation: Enabling the AMD 64-bit ARM Server
  45. 2013-12-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MS blames Child Abductors for Social Media Addictions
  46. 2013-12-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error
  47. 2013-12-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
  48. 2013-12-29 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
  49. 2013-12-29 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
  50. 2013-12-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] NSA ruling error
  51. 2013-12-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
  52. 2013-12-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
  53. 2013-12-29 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error
  54. 2013-12-30 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
  55. 2013-12-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
  56. 2013-12-30 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
  57. 2013-12-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
  58. 2013-12-31 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [rms-at-gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]

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