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| DATE | 2013-12-31 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [rms@gnu.org: Re: Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NSA ruling error]
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:53:33PM -0500, Ron Guerin wrote:
> On 12/30/2013 12:18 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 09:23:13AM -0500, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> >> well in this case the NSA is the gorilla with a 50 caliber machine gun
> >> its absurd but there it is.
> >
> >
> > I wonder if the activities of the NSA reach the bar of the need for a
> > violent revolution. If the government is tracking every individual,
> > it's intent is irrelevent. It becomes a police state unable to protect
> > individual rights or to remain in the limited roll which it is supposed
> > to be relegated to.
> >
> > This would be justification for a violent response.
> >
> > We can not allow government to track and tag every individual in the
> > country without a warrent or evidence of criminal activity.
>
> It's been a police state since 9/11, particularly in New York City. The
> NSA is a reflection of that. And sadly most of your fellow Americans
> are perfectly OK with that. None of this is news.
>
Or maybe not. They just threw the old regime out after 20 years, not
that the new guy is going to provide any proper address or relief.
> Rather than venting your words in ways that will get everything in your
> home pumped full of NYPD lead, i
I thought we had gun control in New York.
> perhaps you should do what you do best,
> and organize people politically. There's a difference between slimy and
> evil. The people running the spying right now appear to be the former
> rather than the latter. There's no need for a revolution, just an
> election. That which is, can still be dismantled without violence. But
> first you need to get your fellow countrymen to stop behaving like
> whining frightened children. They throw around the words freedom and
> liberty a lot, but have no idea what those words really mean. They say
> they want to live in a free society, but their actions say otherwise.
It is not up to the Government, which has real police powers inherent to
it's existence and without which it could not function, to have the
extra-constitutional power that this court has allowed for, regardless
of it's motivations.
Furthermore, it is not proper for the government to compare it's
constiutional restrictions which are built to protect the public becuse
government has police and militia powers, with the volunteered
informatio given to facebook, regardless of how stupid people are with
that as well.
Finally, I'm not confident that the current generation of children can
understand what has happened because they were born into this
restrictive environment and fed steady 24/7 propaganda from the iphones.
Large numbers would be more upset if their crackberry/iphones where
taken away than if they were stop and frisked.
Thank God for Shabbos when we Jews turn the fucking things off and live
free for 26 hours.
Ruben
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> - Ron
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