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MESSAGE
DATE 2014-09-05
FROM Elfen Magix
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Math and Computer Sciences
My career decision has always been Computers and Education though I have always wanted a Medical career.

But right now that I have my BA? Nothing, but I got hurt on the job and the stupid state dept put me on a disability list that I should not be on! So employers looking at my records will see that I am unhirable... UGH!!! Stupid Shit!

But I got a few leads. I'm trying to follow. And lets see on how it goes.

~Fernando

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9/1/14, Ruben Safir wrote:

Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Math and Computer Sciences
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Date: Monday, September 1, 2014, 11:32 PM

On 09/01/2014 08:38 PM,
Elfen Magix wrote:
> What it is that you
need, Ruben? Going back to college? Though I have not been
paying attention to my emails these past weeks, I need to
catch up on it. But I might be able to help. I did pass Calc
and both Linear Algebra and Matrixes were my thing; I did
statistics (and other subjects) tutoring when I was in
college and graduated with a BA in communications and multi
media arts in 5/11. Could have been a BS but I decided to
rush graduation for I did not want to wait until 2012 to
graduate.
>
> What
subjects you need?
>
>
Fernando.

Did this help you
find a new career?  I need a computer job.

Ruben
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 8/30/14, Ruben Safir
wrote:
>
>  Subject:
[NYLXS - HANGOUT] Math and Computer Sciences
>  To: "Hangout"
>  Date: Saturday, August 30, 2014, 9:55
PM



>  On 08/27/2014
04:09 AM, Bryan J Smith wrote:

>>> I remember being confused by the amount of
>  calculus involved, and to
>  >>> this day, I still
haven't used any of it.
>  I think
there's a danger of
>  >>>
wanting to give people a "well-rounded"
>  education when it really doesn't
>  >>> help you in employment
situations.
>  >>
>  >
>  >
​Huh?  This is the second time this has been
>  mentioned, and I don't
>  > understand it.
>  >
>  > All I
used in college was calculus ... for

everything.  Not just physics,
>  >
analysis, environmental impact, mechanics,
>  discrete/linear/​DSP (CS/EE/CpE
>  > flavors), signals/fields, etc...
but also statistics,

microeconomics,
>  > management/risk
even resource geography (actually came
>  in very handy in two
>  > jobs).  In addition to the 12
semester hours of
>  calculus (4
classes) itself
>  > and 12+4
semester class+labs hours of

chemistry+physics, I had 96 hours of

> pre-core+core/option+specialty (general/EE+CpE)
>  engineering that was all
>  > calculus.  I think I had a whole 5
classes, 15
>  semester hours, of
"general
>  > ed" (2x
compsition, 2x history and philosophy) that did
>  not use it.
>  >


>  I'm with
you Bryan but right now I feel like a small child
>  at a buffy.
>  I
want big helpings of everything, and the BS would give
>  that to me more

than the MS, but I just can't see passing the MS up for
a BS
>  at this

point, and I REALLY don't want to be treated like a 19
year
>  old kid,

chasing my tail all the time and driving me to burn
>  out.  At least for
>  now, I think I'm going to try the MS
because lower risk and
>  higher
reward.


>  That being said, I can't go without
this math.  Not
>  just the Calc,
but
>  the matrix Math and linear
algebra.  I need to study
>  these as
well, and
>  as soon as I get settled
in, I'm going to be exploring this,
>  even if I
>  have to
do this on my own.

>  I KNOW that knowing good math skills can
get one hired when
>  others  are
>  not.  It means you can solve problems
that others can
>  not.



>  Ruben

>  > Now ...
there might be an explanation for that.
>  If you attend a college
>  > that is an "Technology,"
but PhD-level research
>  institution,
you tend to
>  > get calculus-based
everything -- economics, statistics,

management/risk,
>  > etc...  Some
schools require it for just

engineering, while others require

> it for any science-based degree.  My Alma Mater
>  (UCF, originally founded as
>  > FTU, an engineering college under a
NASA space grant
>  during Apollo)
only
>  > requires 100%
calculus-based "pre-core" classes for
>  engineers.  As I

> understand it, Georgia Tech and other "Institute
of
>  Technologies" are
>  > notorious for requiring a number of
math, statistics
>  and even CS majors
to
>  > take engineering pre-core
with 100% calculus-based
>  classes
which are shared
>  > with an
engineering "pre-core" track.
>  >
>  > ​It
really depends on the institution, but even
>  today, I cannot imagine
>  > life without knowing calculus.
>  >
>  > E.g.,
rate of change in the US deficit is a 2nd order
>  differential from

> overall debt -- and that's very elementary
>  calculus.  But I can ​understand
>  > how most Americans don't get
that, and why 2000 --
>  despite having
a net,
>  > although small, surplus
-- was a very, very bad time
>  for the
economy, which
>  > led to some of
the biggest layoffs in US history during
>  Q1 of 2001 (jobs

> are the last to lose and last to come back).
>  >
>  >>
The question is probably along the lines of "what
>  do you want to be when
>  >>> you grow up?" 
Theoretical and practical
>  computing
are still two wildly
>  >>>
different things, maybe even more so now.
>  What's the goal here?
>  >>> Education because
that's fun, or to get a job
>  at
the end of it?  Is it
>  >>>
programmer or CTO?  Tech advocate?

Circuit designer?  There are so many

>>> specialities now; unless you're working
for
>  yourself, an employer will
>  >>> probably be most interested
in how you can help
>  them, and
that's often
>  >>> in one
specific area.  Having a great

breadth of knowledge is cool, but

>>> being an expert at something tends to get
you
>  paid.

>>
>  >

> ​That's interesting because most of my
colleagues
>  that majored in
>  > Industrial Engineering are all
upper-level
>  administrators in
major
>  > corporations, and one is a
C-level in a moderately
>  sized
company.  I cannot
>  > imagine
microeconomics, much more risk management,
>  without calculus.

>
>  > E.g., "Linear
Feedback" isn't just an Electrical
>  Engineering (EE) concept,
>  > but applies to not just risk, but
CS' concepts of
>  "discrete
systems" as
>  > well as
elementary digital signals.**  You cannot
>  build a system of

> equations for that interaction without calculus.
>  >
>  > This
"theory v. practical" argument really falls
flat
>  on its face with me.
>  >  That "Generation D"
Sprint commercial they used
>  to push
used to make me
>  > laugh, because
the world is very much analog.  I

had an advisor in college
>  > tell
me I shouldn't switch away from Electrical
>  Engineering to avoid
>  > signals and fields because analog
is still
>  everything.  And he was
right.
>  >

> I only wished I would have went after jobs in Fields
>  because that
>  >
experience is extremely and heavily sought after in
>  today's wireless world.
>  >  Even though I only worked in
aerospace and
>  semiconductor a small
part of
>  > my career (6 years
total), I do like being at a client

and not only knowing
>  > what the
heck they are talking about.  I can even
>  relate IT-centric closet
>  > and risk to them as well, instead
of just talking with
>  words.
>  >
>  > Even
just my elementary statistical courses + past
>  engineering work alone
>  > allowed me to garner great respect
at several clients
>  with
researchers
>  > doing a lot of heavy
analysis.  E.g., it's much

easier to understand SAS
>  > and R
if you have such a background, and they are in
>  heavy use in many

> divisions of many corporations and government.
>  >
>  > Which
brings me to the Asimov and Sagan worries that if
>  we don't keep

> teaching our future workers and leaders how to do
basic
>  -- not theoretical,
>  > but "basic" -- math and
science, they will quickly
>  forget how
to build
>  > things.  In fact
we're pretty much reached that

point with nuclear power
>  > plants,
and only the US Navy (military) and French
>  (commercial) being the
>  > sole authorities on the matter
these days.
>  >
>  > -- bjs
>  >
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>  > nylug-talk-at-nylug.org
>  > http://mail.nylug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nylug-talk
>  >





>



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  2. 2014-09-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Math and Computer Sciences
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  17. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Anyone want to go to Florida?
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  22. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb as still
  23. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  24. 2014-09-07 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb as still
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  26. 2014-09-07 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  27. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  28. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb as still
  29. 2014-09-07 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  30. 2014-09-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Great Lectures
  31. 2014-09-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] startup demonstration show
  32. 2014-09-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb as still
  33. 2014-09-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Letter of recomendation
  34. 2014-09-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [christopher.league-at-liu.edu: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb
  35. 2014-09-09 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] LIU Free Software
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  37. 2014-09-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: realloc limitations
  38. 2014-09-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: realloc limitations
  39. 2014-09-14 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  40. 2014-09-14 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  41. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  42. 2014-09-15 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  43. 2014-09-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
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  45. 2014-09-15 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
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  48. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  49. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  50. 2014-09-15 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  51. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  52. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  53. 2014-09-15 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  54. 2014-09-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  55. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  56. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: lost directory indexes]
  57. 2014-09-15 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  58. 2014-09-15 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  59. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  60. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  61. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: AddHandle perl-script *]
  62. 2014-09-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: AddHandle perl-script *]
  63. 2014-09-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  64. 2014-09-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Why Life Is A Lot More Fun When We Stop Trying to Be Perfect
  65. 2014-09-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Medical Update 9/16; Health Scare
  66. 2014-09-17 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  67. 2014-09-17 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  68. 2014-09-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  69. 2014-09-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Medical Update 9/16; Health Scare
  70. 2014-09-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  71. 2014-09-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Binary Calculator
  72. 2014-09-17 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  73. 2014-09-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  74. 2014-09-18 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: lost directory indexes
  75. 2014-09-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  76. 2014-09-20 From: <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Systemd nightmare
  77. 2014-09-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: realloc limitations
  78. 2014-09-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cellular Linux Revolution
  79. 2014-09-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cellular Linux Revolution
  80. 2014-09-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [wietse-at-porcupine.org: Postfix syntax overhaul, snapshot 20140921]
  81. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jboss
  82. 2014-09-23 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jboss
  83. 2014-09-23 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jboss
  84. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Lite Machines
  85. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] more systemd tutorials
  86. 2014-09-23 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Lite Machines
  87. 2014-09-23 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Lite Machines
  88. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Puppets?
  89. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Lite Machines
  90. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Radio keeping you to your councel
  91. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Lite Machines
  92. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Negitive binary representations
  93. 2014-09-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Happy Rosh Hashona
  94. 2014-09-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] core dump
  95. 2014-09-28 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [wolfgang-at-rosenauer.org: Re: [opensuse] Running old version]
  96. 2014-09-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [wolfgang-at-rosenauer.org: Re: [opensuse] Running
  97. 2014-09-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] opensuse 13.1
  98. 2014-09-30 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] opensuse 13.1

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