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DATE 2014-09-29
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [wolfgang@rosenauer.org: Re: [opensuse] Running



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Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [wolfgang-at-rosenauer.org: Re: [opensuse]
Running old version]
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----- Forwarded message from Wolfgang Rosenauer -----

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:36:16 +0200
From: Wolfgang Rosenauer
To: Timothy Butterworth
CC: openSUSE Distribution List
Subject: Re: [opensuse] Running old version
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2

Hi,

time to answer finally.
So as you probably know I'm the "founder" of Evergreen just in case.

Am 26.09.2014 um 16:52 schrieb Timothy Butterworth:
> If a new LTS release with a maintenance period of 5 release's + 6
> Month's was produced with a new version released every 4th release to
> provide a 1 release + 6 Month stabilizing testing and migration period
> overlap would you guys be more inclined to upgrade? It would mean
> upgrading around every 4.5 years.
>
> [...]
>
> More importantly is anyone interested in performing some of the work to
> make it because it would be a all community release?

Your ideas are quite ok. I actually always would liked to have an LTS
version maintained for say 5 years free of charge.
I discussed this years ago as well but people like to discuss with no
action being taken. That's why I just turned it around and started
Evergreen for 11.1 to see what can be done.

After 11.1, 11.2 and 11.4 I can tell you the following:
- no, it's not that much effort to continue maintenance up to 3 years
and probably a bit more
- it'll get hard starting from 3 years if you cannot do for example
service packs to upgrade parts which cannot be maintained anymore
- service packs are a big beast. Not sure if the community can or want
to help enough to get that tested and shipped.
- you need more people but they didn't show up during all the time
- we had some contributors for certain packages (don't know the
number but something in the range from 5-10) but almost all
monitoring and responsibility for everything which was not taken
by someone else was on two people (thanks Stefan)
- this was also the reason we had to end 11.4 maintenance after the
announced lifetime. It was getting to exhausting as a spare time
project

I'm totally proud what we achieved because it showed that it's not too
much effort but if you get too few people to help you are screwed.

That is also why the Evergreen plans for now are not going to change
unless I see changes in "resources". That might be more contributors or
also other incentives to increase the motivation of the volunteer ;-)
If we have a better understanding what resources are available we can
talk about what to change in the Evergreen/LTS structure. Discussing it,
and this is what I've learned, doesn't bring us anywhere. There are a
lot of people demanding it but practically almost noone want to invest
anything.

I'll enjoy to have a rest until Evergreen for 13.1 is starting again and
being able to do a few other things instead.


Wolfgang
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  2. 2014-09-01 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Math and Computer Sciences
  3. 2014-09-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Linux Jobs at CBS
  4. 2014-09-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Linux Jobs
  5. 2014-09-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I've looked at Clouds from both sides now...
  6. 2014-09-02 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] I've looked at Clouds from both sides now...
  7. 2014-09-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  8. 2014-09-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ruby groups
  9. 2014-09-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Invitation: An Evening with Bjarne Stroustrup
  10. 2014-09-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: [New discussion] All presentations from YAPC::EU - Sofia, Bulgaria
  11. 2014-09-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] weird ruby syntax
  12. 2014-09-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: [Israel.pm] salsa20 encryption
  13. 2014-09-04 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] mod_perl job
  14. 2014-09-04 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: We are currently hiring for a System Administrator!
  15. 2014-09-05 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  16. 2014-09-05 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Math and Computer Sciences
  17. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Anyone want to go to Florida?
  18. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Do you have the magic answer
  19. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb as still
  20. 2014-09-07 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb as still
  21. 2014-09-07 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  22. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb as still
  23. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  24. 2014-09-07 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb as still
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  26. 2014-09-07 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  27. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  28. 2014-09-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb as still
  29. 2014-09-07 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Get_Started_With_Scribus:1
  30. 2014-09-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Great Lectures
  31. 2014-09-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] startup demonstration show
  32. 2014-09-08 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Oracle STILL dumb as still
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  42. 2014-09-15 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
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  45. 2014-09-15 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
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  49. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  50. 2014-09-15 Chris Knadle <Chris.Knadle-at-coredump.us> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  51. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  52. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  53. 2014-09-15 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  54. 2014-09-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  55. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
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  59. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
  60. 2014-09-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
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  74. 2014-09-18 Ruben <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fwd: Re: lost directory indexes
  75. 2014-09-19 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache Security tips
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  81. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jboss
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  83. 2014-09-23 eminker-at-gmail.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] jboss
  84. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Lite Machines
  85. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] more systemd tutorials
  86. 2014-09-23 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Lite Machines
  87. 2014-09-23 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Lite Machines
  88. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Puppets?
  89. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Lite Machines
  90. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Radio keeping you to your councel
  91. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] New Linux Lite Machines
  92. 2014-09-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Negitive binary representations
  93. 2014-09-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Happy Rosh Hashona
  94. 2014-09-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] core dump
  95. 2014-09-28 mrbrklyn-at-panix.com Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [wolfgang-at-rosenauer.org: Re: [opensuse] Running old version]
  96. 2014-09-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [wolfgang-at-rosenauer.org: Re: [opensuse] Running
  97. 2014-09-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] opensuse 13.1
  98. 2014-09-30 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] opensuse 13.1

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