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SORBS, huh ?
My issue was that I was ( is ) getting tons of spam emails, and unsubscribing was ignored in a number of cases; sometimes resulted in getting even more spam from other sources.

One of the Federal agencies is responsible for assisting citizens with this issue, I forget whether it as FTC or FCC, but you will find references to it on their website; BUT, just try and get help from them- they are totally useless and it will go nowhere.

I should look into SORBS and see if they would help with this. If I don't open my email for several days, when I do, I have literally HUNDREDS of junk email in both my Inbox and Spam folder.

I have to scan them manually by eye to make sure an important email I do want is not mixed in there, before deleting. This labor is frustrating.
____

Sabin

-----Original Message-----
From: Hangout [mailto:hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com] On Behalf Of Ruben Safir
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 8:13 AM
To: Rick Moen
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On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 09:53:01PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):
>
> > seems panix had trouble
>
> Understandable, because they're a shared host. The only way SMTP
> spamicity reputation can be tracked is by the recorded behaviour of
> sending IPs, from which it follows that all users of a shared host are
> going to suffer SMTP reputation loss (for at least a while) from the
> behaviour of any seriously misbehaving user.
>
> As to DNS BLs: They tend to come and go, work reasonably for a while
> and at some point become cranky and/or dysfunctional, and nobody with a
> modicum of common sense trusts any of them unconditionally or any single
> one of them to be authoritative.
>
> And, by the way, I asked:
>
> > > Beyond that, what's the question?
>
> You asked for 'Opinions?' Opinions about what specifically?
>
> And, I would also say, why are you seeking opinions? Opinions are
> rather debased coin at this point. Any damnfool has one, and almost all
> of them do. Wouldn't a bit of understanding be quite a bit more useful?
>
> And thus: Is there something you wish to understand better? If so,
> what?
>


My question, I suppose, is if anyone else thinks SORBS is a scam

I've used it for a long time

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  68. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  69. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  70. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Are you fit
  71. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: With regard to a letter of
  72. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] more than a little cool
  73. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] more than a little cool
  74. 2017-05-12 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Your EMB Weekly Newsletter is HERE!
  75. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: With regard to a letter of
  76. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  77. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  78. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  79. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: With regard to a letter of
  80. 2017-05-12 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Morphology source code
  81. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Learn] Morphology source code
  82. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: With regard to a letter of
  83. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  84. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Morphology source code
  85. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  86. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: With regard to a letter of
  87. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  88. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  89. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  90. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  91. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  92. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  93. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Cloud Security seminar
  94. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] cyberwarfare
  95. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] IOTs and key infrastructure security
  96. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Cyber Security and Critical Infrastructure
  97. 2017-05-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  98. 2017-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Movie of the week
  99. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] linkedin - privacy pirates
  100. 2017-05-15 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #303 - Perl Toolchain Summit 2017
  101. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] best jobs on earth
  102. 2017-05-15 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  103. 2017-05-15 FarSight Data Systems <msh-at-farsight-data.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  104. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  105. 2017-05-15 FarSight Data Systems <msh-at-farsight-data.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  106. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] opencon
  107. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  108. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  109. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Red Hat Conference at Ricks House
  110. 2017-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] bigendian
  111. 2017-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] command line google
  112. 2017-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] is there a future?
  113. 2017-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: Haredi entrepreneurs wow tech world at NYC
  114. 2017-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] openssl troubles and Manjaro
  115. 2017-05-17 IEEE Computer Society <csconnection-at-computer.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Get Embedded Systems Training at SEMICON West
  116. 2017-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] how much can you code in an hour?
  117. 2017-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Manjaro information
  118. 2017-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] There is a Mayoral election this year if you
  119. 2017-05-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  120. 2017-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] The rising shoutdown of the electorate
  121. 2017-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  122. 2017-05-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  123. 2017-05-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] The rising shoutdown of the electorate
  124. 2017-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  125. 2017-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] The rising shoutdown of the electorate
  126. 2017-05-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  127. 2017-05-19 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] The rising shoutdown of the electorate: Be
  128. 2017-05-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] The rising shoutdown of the electorate
  129. 2017-05-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Hey,
  130. 2017-05-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: THE DEUTSCH REPORT: News From Councilman
  131. 2017-05-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] deficit is how much you spend in one year beyond
  132. 2017-05-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] deficit is how much you spend in one year
  133. 2017-05-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] deficit is how much you spend in one year
  134. 2017-05-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] deficit is how much you spend in one year
  135. 2017-05-23 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] ,
  136. 2017-05-25 From: "IEEE Spectrum Tech Alert" <techalert-at-ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] A Safer, More Energy-Dense Li-Ion Battery;
  137. 2017-05-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Movie of the week
  138. 2017-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Disrupting reason
  139. 2017-05-26 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Your EMB Weekly Newsletter is HERE!
  140. 2017-05-26 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism
  141. 2017-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] This is a pivotal moment in history
  142. 2017-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Dev. Loop
  143. 2017-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Don't miss an issue of Fossil News!
  144. 2017-05-26 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  145. 2017-05-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  146. 2017-05-26 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  147. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  148. 2017-05-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  149. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  150. 2017-05-28 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  151. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  152. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  153. 2017-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Jewish Philosophy of the Universe
  154. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  155. 2017-05-28 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  156. 2017-05-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  157. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] London calling
  158. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Learn] London calling
  159. 2017-05-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  160. 2017-05-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  161. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] London calling
  162. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] HP Z2 Mini G3 Workstation
  163. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Cryptography currencies in the real world
  164. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] voice activated computing
  165. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Memorial Day
  166. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Drug dealers dream
  167. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] open access education
  168. 2017-05-29 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #305 - I thought summer was a
  169. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  170. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  171. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  172. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] to my Indian friends
  173. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] nice OS technical graphics
  174. 2017-05-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  175. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Webinar] Intel and SUSE - Simplifying HPC
  176. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Drug dealers dream
  177. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] openscience
  178. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] open access education
  179. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] ada tutorials
  180. 2017-05-30 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <publicprograms-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Don't Miss the Last SciCafe of the Season!
  181. 2017-05-30 From: "IEEE ComSoc Meetings" <noreply-at-comsoc.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] IEEE 5G Summit Honolulu: Attend in-person or
  182. 2017-05-30 From: "Jefferson, Lindsey" <jelindse-at-amazon.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Come meet us in New York City!
  183. 2017-05-31 Pharmacist e-Link <communications-at-pharmacistelink.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Drug Lobbyists' Battle Cry Over Prices: Blame the
  184. 2017-05-31 dha-at-panix.com Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] June Social

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