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DATE 2017-05-19
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Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):

> I disagree with many aspects of this article but I believe in the main
> thrust of the argument which is that we have a stolic, entrenched
> political class that is impossible to root out, even with direct
> elections, and I do believe that electing Trump was a means of the
> public to stick a finger in the eye of that elite.

...and everyone else's eyes. Well done, sir!

Keep up the cheerleading for kleptocracy and corruption, making the
desperate more so, and attempting to monkeywrench all aspects of public
service. Console yourself with your conspiracy theories and victim
narratives, which you're going to need because the main people who're
starting to be hurt are red-staters and Trump fans. We'll see if the
41% who didn't bother to vote are sufficiently fed up by 2018 to throw
your bunch out in favor of clean government and an end to massive
gerrymandering and voter suppression.

If not, well, I'm not the sort of person who'll be hurt by the
transformation of the United States into a banana republic. I'm a
homeowner and Ivy Leaguer. The people who're likely to suffer are
people like you.



I wrote to a friend who'd claimed that
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/16/i-wrote-the-art-of-the-deal-with-trump-his-self-sabotage-is-rooted-in-his-past/
"explained how we got this way", as follows:


I read that article. If you'll indulge a quibble, it casts deep insight
into how Trump got that way. It doesn't address very well how _we_ got
this way.

I think some time thinking about the slow descent into delusion of, to
use a convenient label, the 27.2% dumb and self-destructive enough to
pull the lever for Trump/Pence, is actually more fruitful than
psychoanalysing Dolt-45. Dolt-45 is just a glib con-man with a phony
'outsider' leadership story that a bunch of gullible idiots fell for.
It could have been nearly any con-man with similar rhetorical appeal to
the resentful and insecure.

I can identify a bunch of milestones from that descent.

1. Reagan's corrosive bullshit attacking government as the solution
rather than the problem. IMO, this was the worst gift among his many
bad ones within his legacy. It derogates public service. That's bloody
evil.

2. Wallowing in victim narratives indulged by all parts of the
political spectrum. The right picked it up from the academic left,
where there has long been an absurd tendency to claim that one's
victimhood makes one important and worth listening to -- which is
obvious total, self-dramatising bullshit. And the Breitbart types
adopted that one full-force.

3. Totally wrong decision under Bush-43 and Obama about "too big to
fail". Bailouts were absolutely the wrong move. Should have staffed up
the Federal bankruptcy courts & streamlined their operation, expedited
the failing banks, automotive companies, etc. through reorg and
expropriation of existing equity interests. (Your firm goes broke: You
lose all your stock interest. That's the way capitalism works.) All
those firms that failed could have been quickly reorg-ed and relaunched
with entirely new owner/investors. Existing investors wouldn't like
that? Tant pis pour eux. You lose, Charlie.

4. Ubiquity of social media and pseudonymity before American psychology
could figure out how to deal with them mentally. E.g., we know how to
pin accountability onto wacky/irresponsible behavior _in person_, but
most people haven't systematically figured out, yet, how to put
appropriate levels of trust and no more than that trust into _Internet_
information.

5. Poor adaptability to the inevitable consequences of global trade.
Millions of people have essentially been voting to get 1970 back,
throwing votes at the guy who promises to get it back, even though he
obviously won't.

6. Neurotic reaction to demographic change. Partly, this is one
consequence of immediate resort to victim narrative. "I'm in rural
Pennsylvania's rust belt and can't get a job. Must be those 11 million
illegal immigrants. (Logical thinking need not apply.)

7. Americans turn out to be poor process thinkers (in general), as
illustrated by the prior common type of victim thinking. A decent
process thinker would not proceed from the premise that 11 million
illegal immigrants are bad (which can be debated either way) to the
non-sequitur conclusion that a $50b southern wall is effective and a
wise use of taxpayer money.

Americans spend way _way_ too much time pronouncing whether they approve
or disapprove of reality, and not nearly enough time figuring out how to
deal with it.

8. A psychological weakness that makes many Americans prone to
conspiratorial mindsets. Classic essay on that:
https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/




> Fuck this witchhunt. THey should put Obama and Schmumer on trial.

"What about Chappaquiddick?" (Everything old is new again. Here's an
Art Buchwald piece from 1973:)


The Response Checklist
by Art Buchwald

WASHINGTON -- These are difficult times for people who are defending the
Nixon Administration. No matter where they go, they are attacked by
pseudo-liberals, McGovern lovers, heterosexual constitutionalists, and
paranoid John Dean believers.

As a public service, I am printing instant responses for loyal Nixonites
when they are attacked at a party. Please cut it out and carry it in
your pocket.

1. Everyone does it.
2. What about Chappaquiddick?
3. A President can't keep track of EVERYTHING his staff do.
4. The press is blowing this whole thing up.
5. Whatever Nixon did was for national security.
6. The Democrats are sore because they lost the elecdtion.
7. Are you going to believe a rat like John Dean, or the President
of the United States?
8. Wait tell ALL the facts come out.
9. What about Chappaquiddick?
10. If you impeach Nixon, you get Agnew.
11. The only thing wrong with Watergate is they got caught.
12. What about Daniel Ellsberg stealing the Pentagon Papers?
13. It happens in Europe all the time.
14. People would be against Nixon no matter what he did.
15. I'd rather have a crook in the White House than a fool.
16. L.B.J. used to read FBI reports every night.
17. What's the big deal about finding out what your opposition
is up to?
18. The President was too busy running the country to know what
was going on.
19. What about Chappaquiddick?
20. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
21. McGovern would have lost, anyway.
22. Maybe the Committee for the Re-Election of the President went
a little too far, but they were just a bunch of eager kids.
23. I'm not for breaking the law, but sometimes you have to do it
to save the country.
24. Nixon made a mistake. He's only human.
25. Do you realize what Watergate is doing to the dollar abroad?
26. What about Harry Truman and the deep freeze scandal?
27. Franklin D. Roosevelt did a lot worse things.
28. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Watergate, and so is
everybody else.
29. This thing should be tried in the courts and not on television.
30. When Nixon gives his explanation of what happened, there are
going to be a lot of people in this country with egg on their
faces.
31. My country right or wrong.
32. What about Chappaquiddick?
33. I think the people who make all this fuss about Watergate should
be shot.
34. If the Democrats had the money, they would have done the same thing.
35. I never trusted Haldeman and Ehrlichman to start with.
36. If you say one more word about Watergate, I'll punch you in the nose.

Or, A: If the person is bigger than you: "If you say one more word
about Watergate, I'm leaving this house."

Or, B: If it's your own house and the person is bigger than you:
"What about Chappaquiddick?"

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  78. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  79. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: With regard to a letter of
  80. 2017-05-12 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Morphology source code
  81. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Learn] Morphology source code
  82. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: With regard to a letter of
  83. 2017-05-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  84. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Morphology source code
  85. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  86. 2017-05-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: With regard to a letter of
  87. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  88. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  89. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  90. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  91. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  92. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  93. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Cloud Security seminar
  94. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] cyberwarfare
  95. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] IOTs and key infrastructure security
  96. 2017-05-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Cyber Security and Critical Infrastructure
  97. 2017-05-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  98. 2017-05-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Movie of the week
  99. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] linkedin - privacy pirates
  100. 2017-05-15 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #303 - Perl Toolchain Summit 2017
  101. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] best jobs on earth
  102. 2017-05-15 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  103. 2017-05-15 FarSight Data Systems <msh-at-farsight-data.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  104. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  105. 2017-05-15 FarSight Data Systems <msh-at-farsight-data.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  106. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] opencon
  107. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  108. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Death of Microsoft
  109. 2017-05-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Red Hat Conference at Ricks House
  110. 2017-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] bigendian
  111. 2017-05-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] command line google
  112. 2017-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] is there a future?
  113. 2017-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: Haredi entrepreneurs wow tech world at NYC
  114. 2017-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] openssl troubles and Manjaro
  115. 2017-05-17 IEEE Computer Society <csconnection-at-computer.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Get Embedded Systems Training at SEMICON West
  116. 2017-05-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] how much can you code in an hour?
  117. 2017-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Manjaro information
  118. 2017-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] There is a Mayoral election this year if you
  119. 2017-05-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  120. 2017-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] The rising shoutdown of the electorate
  121. 2017-05-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  122. 2017-05-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  123. 2017-05-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] The rising shoutdown of the electorate
  124. 2017-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  125. 2017-05-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] The rising shoutdown of the electorate
  126. 2017-05-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fair USe
  127. 2017-05-19 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] The rising shoutdown of the electorate: Be
  128. 2017-05-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] The rising shoutdown of the electorate
  129. 2017-05-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Hey,
  130. 2017-05-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: THE DEUTSCH REPORT: News From Councilman
  131. 2017-05-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] deficit is how much you spend in one year beyond
  132. 2017-05-22 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] deficit is how much you spend in one year
  133. 2017-05-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] deficit is how much you spend in one year
  134. 2017-05-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] deficit is how much you spend in one year
  135. 2017-05-23 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] ,
  136. 2017-05-25 From: "IEEE Spectrum Tech Alert" <techalert-at-ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] A Safer, More Energy-Dense Li-Ion Battery;
  137. 2017-05-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Movie of the week
  138. 2017-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Disrupting reason
  139. 2017-05-26 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Your EMB Weekly Newsletter is HERE!
  140. 2017-05-26 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism
  141. 2017-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] This is a pivotal moment in history
  142. 2017-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Dev. Loop
  143. 2017-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Don't miss an issue of Fossil News!
  144. 2017-05-26 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  145. 2017-05-26 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  146. 2017-05-26 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  147. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  148. 2017-05-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  149. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  150. 2017-05-28 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  151. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  152. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  153. 2017-05-26 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Jewish Philosophy of the Universe
  154. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  155. 2017-05-28 From: "[RSS/Feed] nixCraft: Linux Tips, Hacks, Tutorials, Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] nixCraft Linux / UNIX Newsletter
  156. 2017-05-28 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  157. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] London calling
  158. 2017-05-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Learn] London calling
  159. 2017-05-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  160. 2017-05-29 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  161. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] London calling
  162. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] HP Z2 Mini G3 Workstation
  163. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Cryptography currencies in the real world
  164. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] voice activated computing
  165. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Memorial Day
  166. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Drug dealers dream
  167. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] open access education
  168. 2017-05-29 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #305 - I thought summer was a
  169. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  170. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  171. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  172. 2017-05-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] to my Indian friends
  173. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] nice OS technical graphics
  174. 2017-05-30 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] I am so sick of this yellow journalism: see
  175. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] [Webinar] Intel and SUSE - Simplifying HPC
  176. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] Drug dealers dream
  177. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] openscience
  178. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout of NYLXS] open access education
  179. 2017-05-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] ada tutorials
  180. 2017-05-30 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <publicprograms-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Don't Miss the Last SciCafe of the Season!
  181. 2017-05-30 From: "IEEE ComSoc Meetings" <noreply-at-comsoc.org> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] IEEE 5G Summit Honolulu: Attend in-person or
  182. 2017-05-30 From: "Jefferson, Lindsey" <jelindse-at-amazon.com> Subject: [Hangout of NYLXS] Come meet us in New York City!
  183. 2017-05-31 Pharmacist e-Link <communications-at-pharmacistelink.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Drug Lobbyists' Battle Cry Over Prices: Blame the
  184. 2017-05-31 dha-at-panix.com Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] June Social

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