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On Sun, May 07, 2017 at 11:59:01PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu):
> > On 05/04/2017 10:50 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > seems panix had trouble
> > >
> > >
> > yeah and they blamed it on SORBS
> Shared hosts obviously are going to get into DNL BLs when one user
> misbehaves suitably outrageously to get those hosts listed. What
> I saw posted upthread was predictable whining and buck-passing in
> response to a DNS BL doing exactly what a DNS BL is supposed to do.
> I vaguely recall some additional complaint along the lines of 'We
> curbed the offensive user behaviour, and followed the instructions to
> get delisted but they won't do it.' Maybe -- but I personally doubt
> that narrative, having heard it far too often about various DNS BLs, and
> with too little credibility.
> That having been said, it's proverbial that the people running DNS BLs
> tend over time to become cranky and unreasonable (and then shut down).
> They get that way largely because of incidents like this one between
> 'tarabyte' and the operator of SORBS (Matthew Sullivan):
Cranky and unreasonable. I wonder what that is like.
184.108.40.206 I think was the ip address in Sorbs. They got out though.
> Which forum thread reminds me: Saying an IP address (and, I'll point
> out, you didn't bother to say _what_ IP, just 'panix') is 'in SORBS'
> is almost meaninglessly vague, because SORBS operates _six_ DNS BLs
> with different criteria and meanings: Spam Database, Dynamic User/Host
> List (DUHL) Database, Proxy (HTTP/SOCKS & Misc) Database, Open [SMTP]
> Relay Database, Vulnerabilities Database, and Zombie Database.
> Next time, try being specific.
Didn't I origianally attach the bounce back from sorbs?
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