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| DATE | 2020-04-27 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Nonfree JS
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On 4/27/20 12:17 PM, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> Ruben Safir wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 02:44:26PM +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
>>> Ruben Safir wrote:
>>>> https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/2kxq8
>>>
>>> | For full functionality of this site it is necessary to enable JavaScript. Here are instructions for enabling JavaScript in your web browser.
Dmity, I need to apolofize because I didn't see this until now.
>>>
>>> By running a bunch of nonfree javascripts we can found out that a directly usable link to the paper would be nothing more than https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/2kxq8/download
I agre that it make much more sense to just pull the straight document.
How do you know, however, that the Javascript is not free? I have no
idea what the license is. Knowing Jon Tenant, he fought like a dog for
freedom of movement of ideas and he understood well that in order to
guarantee that we can accedss data, we need free access to the systems
that provide the data too us... IE Free Software.
I don't even know if it was his sight. All I know is that now that he
is dead, his vacation message points to this document which is incoded
in that application. But I think it is a free platform but if I am
wrong, I can't ask Jon, because he is dead.
It doesn't detract from the paper though. The paper is briliant.
>
>> I don't think the javascrip[ts are] limited by license
>
> Iʼm not sure that the phrase ‘limited by licence’ makes much sense at all. How can one limit something by a _permission_?
>
Eh - I don't know. Monty gave MYSQL out under dual licensing It was
weird. I think the question is, what kind of things might someone want
to retain, despite wanting to share the entire project and empower the
user. What caveats can he want. Rick would best answer this, probably.
Often people just want credit. Sometimes they want to retain an API so
it will continue to fit with the rest of there project. Sometimes they
have no choice, they have a bianary they are not legallly allowed to
expose the code for. None of these are ideal.
>> although I was puzzled as to why bother with it at all.
>
Well, you know why. Either they want free help, or they have a legal
problem they can't overcome, especially if they work for hire.
> Indeed, people are generally puzzled when they are told about software freedom. And I do not think I am good at introducing them to the topic.
>
hmmm - Guttenberg Bible... that is where I useually start.
www.nylxs.com/images/lug-ip.mpg
listen to this
> If one is aware of the issues of nonfree software, though, then _I_ am deeply puzzled, how he can not be bothered about:
>
> a) relying on programs that are not only stripping the user of all the usual freedoms (to use for any purpose, to modify, to distribute...), but on top of that are denying even a freedom that was unquestionable by the most evil software proprietors only 15 years ago — a right to posses a copy and, for instance, to stick with certain version and never update;
>
> b) steering others towards running such programs.
>
First ameksure it is actually not free. Then, email the owner and ask
them :)
Ruben
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