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Side note to Liz -

I've been told today that Pharmacists aren't experts on vaccination=
s so

our opinion doesn't hold much weight....



Just for reference, I point out the paper that Liz and I wrong on

arget=3D"_blank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com/



to continue on this thread...



On to Karen...



On 4/28/20 8:09 PM, Karen Perilman wrote:

> =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF

> =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BFRuben,

> It=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s been a long time since we spoke,



That is your fault!=C2=A0 I periodically send you email :)



> And I must tell you, this message you sent came as a surprise,



Call me when you have time 718-715-1771



>

> First of all, the patients that were first largely infected in Europe,=
Italy and Spain were knee jerk treated with intubation and ventilation.>
> I say knee jerk, because never before had they seen so many people wit=
h the same symptoms in mass like this.

>

> Never mind the Chinese allowed 5 million INFECTED people to leave Chin=
a up to Jan 20th and go to work in Italy and Spain, the fashion center.

> How do i know, because my daughter is the head senior designer for wom=
en in Spain for the company Zara.=C2=A0 =C2=A0They have so many Chinese wor=
king there, and their industry is in the HUB of China.

>

> And in October 18-19th the International militaries all met in Wuhan f=
or the WUhan games for 100 COUNTRIES.=C2=A0 =C2=A0ANd when the games were o=
ver, all those 100 countries became infected.....=C2=A0

>

> Now, go back to where we were....

> All these people presenting with Shortness of breath we MISDIAGNOSED F=
ROM THE GET GO.

> WHy do I say this, because maybe you forgot I am an anesthetist.





I haven't forgotten anything.=C2=A0 Are you in New York now?



> The presentation of SOB was way off the standards of evaluation for SO=
B.

> The Corona is a virus that spread thru droplets as does EVERY OTHER VI=
RUS.

> But we never reacted like this before.



I say this until I am blue in the face.=C2=A0 We have NEVER reacted like th=
is

to even Small Pox!!





> Here is why we shouldn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have.

> I spoke with the head oncologist at a NY Cancer hospital....

> I also spoke with the head neurologist at Northwell Hospitals and all =
of us said the same thing.

>



We've been working with St Barbaus and they just said the same thing in=


the NY Post today,,



> The SOB from Corona patients was unlike a person with pneumonia or ARD=
S.

> Patients were talking and even on the phones, and showing low Puse OX =
readings.

> In Italy they didn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have the time to asses as =
they were barraged with patients,

> They ran out of ventilators when that was ACTUALLY what was killing pe=
ople.

> Sick lungs under PEEP and ventilation only causes more problems and pa=
tients vaso constrict and organs shut down,=C2=A0 and FAST, especially in t=
he elderly.



This I didn't know and I don't understand.=C2=A0 The ICU is packed =
in the

Bronx with people on vents undergoing ID evaluation.=C2=A0 In the end, ther=
e

is not much I can do for them other than take the states and track

infection.=C2=A0 Infection contol on the floors is the biggest problem we h=
ave.



>

> But in the US, NO ONE took the time to look at the reason people were =
SOB and they ASSUMED it was a viral infection, Corona.....

>

> BIG MISTAKE!

> Now, looking back, we know now, that after autopsies, the patients lun=
gs and bodies were filled with CLOTS!!!=C2=A0



Bilateral Granularity on the Xrays.=C2=A0 We don't even need testing fo=
r

this.=C2=A0 It is a presumptive diagnosis already.



The patients were actually acting like someone with pulmonary embolism.

The clots killed people with heart attacks and Strokes!!!!

>

> So where did this information take the doctors who were in the know.r>
> In NY and the UK, they started realizing that the patients who were on=
blood thinners and anti inflammatories had NO clots and they were mildly s=
ick and got better.



> Those patients, in particular were Cancer patients who as you know are=
compromised immunologically.

>



I have data clearly showing me that pts on Chemo and with advanced

cancer don't survive this.=C2=A0 They won't even ventolate those pa=
tients at

this point.=C2=A0 So please explain this further.



BTW - the virus attacks clotting factors, and causes prolong PT times,

but frankly, that is common with cytosine storms, so I am not convinced

of that data.



> They tested the patients clotting times and saw the proof in the blood=
.

> Waiting for a vaccine to kill a virus that will be obsolete in a year =
is ridiculous when we know how to treat the patients NOW.

>

> If someone presents to the ER with SOB, they should have been assessed=
to rule out for=C2=A0 clots.

>

> A retro study, and a study that moves forward should be done immediate=
ly,

> BUT because the cure for the clots is CHEAP, no one is going to recomm=
end ASPIRIN or Azithromycin because they won=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t be ab=
le to make MONEY.

>



This has been a recurring problem.=C2=A0 It is almost like they are purpose=
ly

misusing Hydroxychloroquin, which can only work in the early phase of

the disease, in order to make way for other thearpies, and those

therapies, Remdesivir, Kaletra, Nitazoxanide, Tocilizumab, etc.=C2=A0 All o=
f

them cost over $2K per treatment.=C2=A0 My friend Maya, who is a PharmD, sh=
e

was big on this point. They are not acting in a way that is consistant

with a disease that shuts down civilization.=C2=A0 They are telling us we a=
re

in moral danger and the numbers don't bare it out and they aren't a=
cting

like it is that serious.



> The mayor NY and the governor are 100% assholes.

> We have NEVER quarantined in the history of illness HEALTHY PEOPLE!!r>
> Sick people yes, and they should be isolated at home.



It is unbelievable.=C2=A0 Never in my lifetime could I have ever imagined t=
his.





> If you go to any NY hospital now in the city,=C2=A0 if you show ANY si=
gns of SOB you are intubated and you DIE!!!!=C2=A0 They do not resuscitate =
anyone suspected of corona!!

> That=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s insane..... If the reason people are dyi=
ng are the clots, they NO ONE should be intubated and they should emergentl=
y be give blood thinners.

>

> The elderly are being treated like disposable spoilers of this virus.=
=C2=A0 They die alone and it=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s criminal.

>



How do you then prevent an anurism..





> I will not fall for the BS of waiting for a vaccine, because patients =
being treated right now with the new paradigm are surviving and getting bet=
ter quicker.

>

> No patient population compares to the cancer patients who were found t=
o be Safe from the extreme sickness of Corona because so many of their pati=
ents were on blood thinners.=C2=A0

> The evidence is there.

> Even the Young patients that died, died from Strokes.!!!

> No one is talking about the patients that contracted corona who were d=
escribed as =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93healthy=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=A0 who SMOKE; it=
is a joke.=C2=A0 Smokers are NOT healthy, not if they smoke anything,=C2=
=A0 pot, vaping or cigarettes.

> I see people on the streets with masks and gloves SMOKING and it=C3=A2=
=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s a joke.

> THey are blowing Corona and adding to the contaminating of all of us.<=
br>
> I see people wearing masks and gloves throwing them in the streets, no=
t using them properly, and I tell them, will all this costuming, they would=
never be allowed in the ICU to work because they have no idea how to used =
sterile masks and gloves.

>

> If you want to be mad, get mad with the medical system in NY fueled by=
political idiots that want to see the economy fail, so they can blame poli=
tics.

> Even Fauci, that =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93Statistician=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=
=A0 is out of the loop.=C2=A0 He hasn=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t practiced me=
dicine in 20 yrs!!=C2=A0 And he is nothing but an accountant for the number=
s that other people give him.

>

> THis is BS,=C2=A0 I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t give a shit about pol=
itics...

> I do care that we are being used for this political experiment.





100%





> The economy should have NEVER been shut down.





A strong economy is our leading weapon to fight the disease.





> It=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s laughable that all the markets and stores =
that are open are crowded and no one has stopped shopping.

>

> Maybe they should try putting the voter machines in Target or Walmart.=
....

> Then we could vote out these morons that crashed our economy when the =
answer to save people was right under our noses.

>

>

>

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Ruben Safir <en-at-mrbrklyn.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com>> wrote:

>>

>> =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF

>> We wouldn't want to distribute anything until we are absolutel=
y sure it

>> is safe, because WTF!!=C2=A0 11K are already dead in NYC alone and=
23million

>> are on indefinite lockdown!

>>

>> Take your time boys.=C2=A0 Make sure you get it right..

>>

>>

>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=
~~~~

>> Wall Street Journal today:

>>

>> Pfizer could start distributing a possible vaccine on an emergency=
basis

>> in the fall if all testing proves successful.

>> Photo: Sipa USA via AP

>> By Jared S. Hopkins

>> April 28, 2020 1:14 pm ET

>>

>> Pfizer Inc. PFE -1.10% said Tuesday it could have a coronavirus va=
ccine

>> ready for use on an emergency basis in the fall if it proves to wo=
rk

>> safely in testing.

>>

>> Testing of the vaccine, which has already started in Germany, coul=
d

>> start in the U.S. as early as next week if health regulators sign =
off,

>> Pfizer Chief Executive Albert Bourla said in an interview. Results=
from

>> the study could come as early as next month, Mr. Bourla said.

>>

>> Pfizer would need to do more testing to make sure the vaccine work=
s

>> safely. If all testing proves successful, Pfizer could start

>> distributing the vaccine on an emergency basis in the fall and rec=
eive

>> approval for widespread distribution by year=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=
=A2s end, Mr. Bourla said.

>>

>> =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93This is a crisis right now, and a solution is=
desperately needed by

>> all,=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=A0 Mr. Bourla said.

>> --

>> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town

>> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological

>> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

>> target=3D"_blank">http://www.mrbrklyn.com

>> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

>>

>> get=3D"_blank">http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free So=
ftware

>> errer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.brooklyn-living.com

>>

>> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps,

>> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013=






--

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proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

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