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DATE	2020-04-30
FROM	Carolinedliny
SUBJECT	Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Look at thecrazy lock them up speach
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PggAQWZTJ0GWeMykZVj_DZZp.KfRhb7l.ASI1RbdeN.SDPpnWYwgvR0LmhysSiNLe5yAlk3kBhj0 tiOzAMy2fI.2u78Vk2JyLsh64h_sy.ATeWNeIV0WpLk55hnr1aqAKGKuzTBW_6tdMcljXNLrKS4N BZCI4_rfv0wzihpil4WpKOKdvrPW7kq8ThqYz15YktP3t2SmRcZU1O8QV54k4JjZl3Iu2EWNWrVZ 1YQrhfs7f9.r0L.Hw1rk7VKkHps4rlNXLnbhS6Cr7FdybNjQklW_4ncamH.zoP6vzLF7qTVQ5eBt bG2vwNjyxk0Mu3teahmsuQQYiqG1wn7tkl1w- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:48:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:48:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Carolinedliny To: "ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com" Message-ID: <1346160610.263737.1588261684900-at-mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3fc3c984-b628-706f-43cf-ce6bf8adca39-at-mrbrklyn.com> References: <28f4f66f-55ed-0669-d71f-0b6c4bc352fa-at-mrbrklyn.com> <1855881374.1631829.1588192137441-at-mail.yahoo.com> <3fc3c984-b628-706f-43cf-ce6bf8adca39-at-mrbrklyn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.15820 aolwebmail Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/81.0.4044.129 Safari/537.36 Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Look at thecrazy lock them up speach X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30rc1 Precedence: list List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Carolinedliny Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1496982516==" Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout" --===============1496982516== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_263736_483112955.1588261684896" ------=_Part_263736_483112955.1588261684896 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont know the answers, wrote some responses -----Original Message----- From: Ruben Safir To: Carolinedliny ; docs-at-mrbrklyn.com; Hangout out-at-nylxs.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 29, 2020 8:38 pm Subject: Re: Look at thecrazy lock them up speach On 4/29/20 4:28 PM, Carolinedliny wrote: > what about front-line workers, they say we are overwhelmed with COVID > patients and putting ourselves at risk,> They are the ones that are ACTUALLY at risk and the government, despite years to be ready for this, completely failed.=C2=A0 They should have has empergency stocsks of Ventolators, lab capacity, PPEs, etc, like you are planning a military action.=C2=A0 This should have been something trained for... as a matter of fact, with contingency plans, instead of hanging healthcare workers out to die, completely unprepared. SO much involved!! Even if we had a stock of ventilators...where do we get = the extra critical care nurses to care for them, the pharmacists to make up= their TPN or whatever nutrition and IV meds, pressors, propofol, IV pumps,= electrical outlets, resp therapists, Drs, anti embolism pumps, linen, diap= ers, cardiac monitors, suction catheters,=C2=A0 you can't stockpile everyth= ing that is needed to care for these pts. It takes 2 rooms full of supplies= and a small village to care for ONE vented pt in critical care for a week,= I know because I've done it for years The shortage of PPE though, absolutely disgusting, that would have been eas= y to stockpile > they say stay home for us, do > you think they could refuse to care for a person who deliberately > refuses to comply?=C2=A0=C2=A0 No, complain to the government that fucked you over...not the insane order stay home order for MONTHS. 70 hopsitals have been shut down over time and they nearly shutdown Downstate.=C2=A0 Can you imagine where we would be if Downstate was shutdow= n? This Governor, the same one that wants to have everyone tied to there house and locked down, he was BRAGGING that we had too many hospital beds and spread out around to broadly, and then dismantled hospital after hospital. Any front line empoyee who dies from this can blame the Governorer... Remember Matilda.=C2=A0 This man loves EVERY LIFE... You know that same governor who threatened a nursing home with limited staffing that they had to take know Wuhan-19 positive patients into crowded homes with 500 debilitated aged people... essentially killing them all and killing the staff. horrible what happened in the nursing homes, but if the hospital was forced= to d/c pts because the ambulances kept coming in what is the answer?? to p= ut them in the street, that was a catch 22, horrible situation either way, = turn=C2=A0down hospital admissions or d/c pts to other facilities, what is = the right answer, you need wisdom of King Solomon=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 And now, has he learned anything.=C2=A0 Now, to make it worst, he is sendin= g OMIG after the homes.=C2=A0 Do you know the power that OMIG has to end careers?=C2=A0 They can end your career without due process with a single form letter.=C2=A0 Cuomo made those rules as well. I am not staying locked up for the next year, or else lose my healthcare access.=C2=A0 But I will tell you something else.=C2=A0 As this continues, = the healthcare workers are not going to get paid and supplies are going to get even shorter as the economy shutdts down and the state go broke. This lockdown threatens your job, your pension, your healthcare, and the safety of the entire state. I'm very concerned absolutely=C2=A0 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruben Safir > To: Hangout ; docs > Sent: Wed, Apr 29, 2020 4:06 pm > Subject: Look at thecrazy lock them up speach >=20 > https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/wxevj5/the-coronavirus-truthers-dont-b= elieve-in-public-health >=20 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The belief that it=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s in everyone=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2= =84=A2s best interest to stay home for now > relies on a fundamental acceptance of the concept of public health, the > simple premise that one person=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s choices can impac= t whether another > person gets sick, and that community responses to disease are necessary. > The coronavirus truthers, quite simply, dismiss the idea that their > choices impact your life. As one social-distancing critic put it in a > widely-shared Facebook post: =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93If you want to stay hom= e, stay home. If > you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. If you want to avoid large crowds, > avoid large crowds. I am not required to descend into poverty for you. I > am not required to abstain from human contact for you. I am not required > to shop alone, without my kids, for you.=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >=20 > These people that promote the lock up are flat earthers. >=20 > --=20 > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 >=20 > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in > Free Software > http://www.brooklyn-living.com >=20 > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 --=20 So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 ------=_Part_263736_483112955.1588261684896 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">t;">I dont know the answers, wrote some responses pt;">-----Original Message----- t-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"> From: Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"> To: Carolinedliny <carolinedliny-at-aol.com>; docs-at-mrbrklyn.com; Hangout= <hangout-at-nylxs.com> ily: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"> Sent: Wed, Apr 29, 2020 8:38 pm t-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"> Subject: Re: Look at thecrazy lock them up speach -size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-varia= nt-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;">On 4/29/20 4:28 PM, Carolinedliny wr= ote: > what about front-line workers, they say we are = overwhelmed with COVID > patients and putting ourselve= s at risk,> They are the ones that = are ACTUALLY at risk and the government, despite years to= be ready for this, completely failed. They should have has =3D"none">empergency stocsks of Ventolators, lab capacity, PPEs, etc, like = you are planning a military action. This should hav= e been something trained for... as a matter of fact, with= contingency plans, instead of hanging healthcare workers= out to die, completely unprepared. -size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-varia= nt-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;"> -size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-varia= nt-caps: normal;">SO much involved!! Eve= n if we had a stock of ventilators...where do we get the extra critical car= e nurses to care for them, the pharmacists to make up their TPN or whatever= nutrition and IV meds, pressors, propofol, IV pumps, electrical outlets, r= esp therapists, Drs, anti embolism pumps, linen, diapers, cardiac monitors,= suction catheters, you can't stockpile everything that is needed to = care for these pts. 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docs-at-mrbrklyn.com; Hangout out-at-nylxs.com> Sent: Wed, Apr 29, 2020 8:38 pm Subject: Re: Look at thecrazy lock them up speach On 4/29/20 4:28 PM, Carolinedliny wrote: > what about front-line workers, they say we are overwhelmed with COVID > patients and putting ourselves at risk,> They are the ones that are ACTUALLY at risk and the government, despite years to be ready for this, completely failed.=C2=A0 They should have has empergency stocsks of Ventolators, lab capacity, PPEs, etc, like you are planning a military action.=C2=A0 This should have been something trained for... as a matter of fact, with contingency plans, instead of hanging healthcare workers out to die, completely unprepared. SO much involved!! Even if we had a stock of ventilators...where do we get = the extra critical care nurses to care for them, the pharmacists to make up= their TPN or whatever nutrition and IV meds, pressors, propofol, IV pumps,= electrical outlets, resp therapists, Drs, anti embolism pumps, linen, diap= ers, cardiac monitors, suction catheters,=C2=A0 you can't stockpile everyth= ing that is needed to care for these pts. It takes 2 rooms full of supplies= and a small village to care for ONE vented pt in critical care for a week,= I know because I've done it for years The shortage of PPE though, absolutely disgusting, that would have been eas= y to stockpile > they say stay home for us, do > you think they could refuse to care for a person who deliberately > refuses to comply?=C2=A0=C2=A0 No, complain to the government that fucked you over...not the insane order stay home order for MONTHS. 70 hopsitals have been shut down over time and they nearly shutdown Downstate.=C2=A0 Can you imagine where we would be if Downstate was shutdow= n? This Governor, the same one that wants to have everyone tied to there house and locked down, he was BRAGGING that we had too many hospital beds and spread out around to broadly, and then dismantled hospital after hospital. Any front line empoyee who dies from this can blame the Governorer... Remember Matilda.=C2=A0 This man loves EVERY LIFE... You know that same governor who threatened a nursing home with limited staffing that they had to take know Wuhan-19 positive patients into crowded homes with 500 debilitated aged people... essentially killing them all and killing the staff. horrible what happened in the nursing homes, but if the hospital was forced= to d/c pts because the ambulances kept coming in what is the answer?? to p= ut them in the street, that was a catch 22, horrible situation either way, = turn=C2=A0down hospital admissions or d/c pts to other facilities, what is = the right answer, you need wisdom of King Solomon=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 And now, has he learned anything.=C2=A0 Now, to make it worst, he is sendin= g OMIG after the homes.=C2=A0 Do you know the power that OMIG has to end careers?=C2=A0 They can end your career without due process with a single form letter.=C2=A0 Cuomo made those rules as well. I am not staying locked up for the next year, or else lose my healthcare access.=C2=A0 But I will tell you something else.=C2=A0 As this continues, = the healthcare workers are not going to get paid and supplies are going to get even shorter as the economy shutdts down and the state go broke. This lockdown threatens your job, your pension, your healthcare, and the safety of the entire state. I'm very concerned absolutely=C2=A0 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruben Safir > To: Hangout ; docs > Sent: Wed, Apr 29, 2020 4:06 pm > Subject: Look at thecrazy lock them up speach >=20 > https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/wxevj5/the-coronavirus-truthers-dont-b= elieve-in-public-health >=20 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The belief that it=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s in everyone=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2= =84=A2s best interest to stay home for now > relies on a fundamental acceptance of the concept of public health, the > simple premise that one person=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s choices can impac= t whether another > person gets sick, and that community responses to disease are necessary. > The coronavirus truthers, quite simply, dismiss the idea that their > choices impact your life. As one social-distancing critic put it in a > widely-shared Facebook post: =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93If you want to stay hom= e, stay home. If > you want to wear a mask, wear a mask. If you want to avoid large crowds, > avoid large crowds. I am not required to descend into poverty for you. I > am not required to abstain from human contact for you. I am not required > to shop alone, without my kids, for you.=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >=20 > These people that promote the lock up are flat earthers. >=20 > --=20 > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town > that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological > proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 > http://www.mrbrklyn.com > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 >=20 > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in > Free Software > http://www.brooklyn-living.com >=20 > Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, > but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 --=20 So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 ------=_Part_263736_483112955.1588261684896 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal;">t;">I dont know the answers, wrote some responses pt;">-----Original Message----- t-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"> From: Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"> To: Carolinedliny <carolinedliny-at-aol.com>; docs-at-mrbrklyn.com; Hangout= <hangout-at-nylxs.com> ily: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"> Sent: Wed, Apr 29, 2020 8:38 pm t-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt;"> Subject: Re: Look at thecrazy lock them up speach -size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-varia= nt-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;">On 4/29/20 4:28 PM, Carolinedliny wr= ote: > what about front-line workers, they say we are = overwhelmed with COVID > patients and putting ourselve= s at risk,> They are the ones that = are ACTUALLY at risk and the government, despite years to= be ready for this, completely failed. They should have has =3D"none">empergency stocsks of Ventolators, lab capacity, PPEs, etc, like = you are planning a military action. This should hav= e been something trained for... as a matter of fact, with= contingency plans, instead of hanging healthcare workers= out to die, completely unprepared. -size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-varia= nt-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;"> -size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-varia= nt-caps: normal;">SO much involved!! Eve= n if we had a stock of ventilators...where do we get the extra critical car= e nurses to care for them, the pharmacists to make up their TPN or whatever= nutrition and IV meds, pressors, propofol, IV pumps, electrical outlets, r= esp therapists, Drs, anti embolism pumps, linen, diapers, cardiac monitors,= suction catheters, you can't stockpile everything that is needed to = care for these pts. 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Can you imagine where we would be if Downstate = was shutdown? This Governor, the same = one that wants to have everyone tied to there house and l= ocked down, he was BRAGGING that we had too many hospital >beds and spread out around to broadly, and then dismantled hospital ar=3D"none">after hospital. Any front = line empoyee who dies from this can blame the Governorer... e"> Remember Matilda. This man loves EVERY LIFE...<= br clear=3D"none"> You know that same governor who threat= ened a nursing home with limited staffing that they had t= o take know Wuhan-19 positive patients into crowded homes= with 500 debilitated aged people... essentially killing = them all and killing the staff. yle=3D"color: black; font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 10pt; font-s= tyle: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; fo= nt-weight: normal;"> yle=3D"">t-weight: bold;">horrible what happened in the nursing homes, but if the ho= spital was forced to d/c pts because the ambulances kept coming in what is = the answer?? to put them in the street, that was a catch 22, horrible situa= tion either way, weight: 700;">turn-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;"> down hospital admissions or d/c pts = to other facilities, what is the right answer, you need wisdom of King an>Solomon= weight: bold;"> e">And now,= has he learned anything. 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