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| DATE | 2002-05-27 |
| FROM | Ruben I Safir
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| SUBJECT | Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Tomorrow
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Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:13:28 -0400
From: Ruben I Safir
To: Joe Grastara
Cc: Michael Richardson , NYLXS , nylxs-announce-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com
Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Tomorrow
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Official Announcment
Emergency NYLXS Board Meeting Tomorrow Night at
the Brooklybn Marriott
7:00PM
Adams Street
Take the AF or Jay Street
Take the NM 2345 to Court Street
Take the Q to Dekalb Ave
On 2002.05.28 15:03 Joe Grastara wrote:
>
> I vote tomorrow as well.
>
> -Joe
>
> On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 14:56, Michael Richardson wrote:
> >
> > Michael Richardson tomorrow night.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vin [mailto:a1enviro-at-cloud9.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 1:47 PM
> > To: Ruben I Safir
> > Cc: hangout-at-nylxs.com
> > Subject: Re: [hangout] roadrunner
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday 27 May 2002 17:37, you wrote:
> > > Do we want to meet tomorrow or Tonite?
> > >
> > >
> > > Votes please....
> > If limited to committee heads, then ignore my answer.
> > I can commit to tonight. Won't know if I will be in town if meeting
> is
> > tomorrow night. I'll know tonight if I'll be in town tomorrow
> night.
> >
> > Also, make sure you know what the difference is between non-profit,
> and
> > not-for-profit, which are two separate types of corporations, when
> you
> > decide
> > how to incorporate.
> >
> > >
> > > > I have linksys router with my rr service and I haven't had any
> troubles.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2002-05-28 at 06:38, alex-at-pilosoft.com wrote:
> > > > > a) Not every DSL provider requires PPPoE. If you look around,
> you'll
> > > > > find quite a few who providers who don't.
> > > > >
> > > > > b) Discussion about queso/fingerprinting/whatever is
> pointless. Ruben
> > > > > obviously can't figure out how to configure ip{chains,tables}
> and
> > > > > dhcpcd.
> > > > >
> > > > > c) While it is technically _possible_ to detect NAT'd hosts
> behind NAT
> > > > > router, it is not worth doing for a cable provider like RR who
> > > > > struggles with much simpler things.
> > I read reports of Time Warner RR doing this sporadically. Possibly
> on the
> > links I provided, possibly elsewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > d) Even the MAC lock is easily defeated: If you have a linksys
> device
> > > > > and can't figure out how to put your old MAC in, or if you
> have a
> > > > > device that won't allow MAC change, you can just call RR and
> say "Oh,
> > I
> > > > > have a new computer, won't you please reset me MAC". Works
> every time.
> >
> > Has worked for my cousin, and this is known among most rr
> subscribers. What
> >
> > was pointed out in an earlier post however, is that Time Warner RR
> is
> > kicking
> > people off without warning, sporadically, for using Linksys routers.
> > Someone
> > else pointed out that they may use the original mac address of the
> Linksys
> > router as a marker that you are using a Linksys router. Linksys
> routers can
> >
> > easily spoof the mac address of the lan card, so this is not an
> issue if you
> >
> > change the mac address of the Linksys to your computer's lan card.
> If you
> > are using Linux for routing, this is not an issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > e) Somehow, it appears that people on this list, including the
> "host"
> > > > > of the list just don't believe in "smart questions".
> >
> > This isn't a guru site. I am no guru. I just completed two Linux
> newbie
> > training classes with NYLXS. Keep a punching bag next to the
> computer, and
> > when you want to spout off, punch the bag. If you get a newbie
> question, or
> >
> > response, instead of giving a "rtfm" answer, make a short list OF
> WHERE THE
> > ANSWERS CAN BE FOUND, OR WHERE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR THE ANSWERS,
> and
> > kindly supply the list each time you get a newbie type answer. Old
> habits
> > die hard. Old windows habits die harder. We need to be conditioned
> and
> > reminded where to find the answers. Ruben has done this with me
> without
> > even
> > answering me. Simply (and silently) plugging "su-exec" into google
> in front
> >
> > of me, showed me how simple it was to find answers. And I use
> google daily,
> >
> > and forgot to do this. This hangout list is read by many NYLXS
> members, and
> >
> > non-member students who are learning Linux for the first time. Some
>
> > questions on this list are regularly flamed. But I've been told to
> post
> > similar questions here, and not on the learn list. We can do
> without the
> > rtfm comments.
> >
> > I supplied whatever info I knew on roadrunner service. This may not
> help
> > Ruben now, but it may help others using rr. And the links I
> supplied may
> > not
> > help his question, but it may help him or others.
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > See this link regarding "smart questions", and especially the
> chapter
> > > > > "before you ask":
> http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -alex
> > > > >
> > > > > On 28 May 2002, jonathan wrote:
> > > > > > they haven't blocked any of my ports for 18months. i use a
> netgear
> > > > > > router that allows me to spoof the mac address and, at the
> time, was
> > > > > > a lttle more flexible that the linksys as it did automatic
> ddns.they
> > > > > > have probed my system a couple of times, most of the scans
> are from
> > > > > > their customers trying to run scripts. i drop any
> connections
> > > > > > specifically from them, in any case. they lost 60 billion
> dollars
> > > > > > last quarter. i don't know that they're in a position to be
> cutting
> > > > > > of service.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that said, i'm sure they're as bad as the rest of the ip's,
> > > > > > when it comes to their monopolistic pricing/bandwidth
> policies.
> > > > > > (after all, the federal, state, and local governments gave
> them
> > > > > > unregulated monopolies, so why shouldn't they be in a
> position to
> > > > > > dictate. notwithstanding that it is the same as telling me
> what
> > words
> > > > > > i'm allowed to use when i talk on the phone).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > anyway, they give you a free 60days, so there's not much
> harm in
> > > > > > trying it. they have a self-install now, for the network, so
> you
> > > > > > don't have to have some idiot show up to "configure" the
> service and
> > > > > > tell you the only support mac and windows...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > they're jerks, of course, but so are all the dsl guys who
> are
> > > > > > requiring ppoe, which is a bigger pain in the ass and more
> > > > > > restrictive.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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