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DATE 2002-05-08
FROM Ruben I Safir
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OK Here it is improved a bit...I changed the description of the ATM
propaganda war and clearified the property robbery analogy



I feel like I'm missing some parts of this conversation, but instead of
answering every subparagraph of this conversation, let me just try to
focus on a few doable points, and how I think we need to proceed.

It's now early in the morning and I just came home from a NY Fair Use
meeting and we have been actually discussing this, in detail, over the
last few hours.

First, let's look at the threat that the Holling's Bill and the DMCA
present to Free Software. Even under the DMCA, if the major manufacturers
chose to end free software, they can simply do so by running encryption on
any copyrighted part of the system, especially, the system BIOS. Simply,
the machines can be constructed in such a way that booting into anything
other than an approved Operating System would be a felony under the DMCA.
If you listen to the DMCA fair use exemption hearings at the Library Of
Congress, this becomes clear. It is just a matter of time before this
is implemented. Such is the nature of the world. For example, when
ATM machines first came out, banks begged people to use them instead of
tellers because of the cost savings. Immediately the issue came up: would
such a service be charged for. Initially, they did not charge for the
service. Once ATM's use became commonplace, to the point that the public
now *relied* on them and banks repreately claim them as a special service, rather
than a cost savings method, they had paved the way to charge a fee per use.
Eventually it happened, over time. And today, it's nearly impossible to
use an ATM, or the bank for that matter, without these additional fees.

The same will happen with copyrighted BIOS'. Today, the public would be
outraged if Microsoft and Intel prevented other OS's from being installed
on a system. But already Microsoft is re-educating the public about the
property rights of their PC, and making claims that only their OS is
authorized on machines (one can refer to the recent flap about schools
accepting donated systems at:

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/04/18/1623240&mode=thread or
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html

for further detail). Microsoft is moving rapidly to a model of "OS
assurance" and "Automatic upgrades" in the name of security and content
management protection. The Holling's bills, by whatever name they are this
week, are legal enforcement mandating the worse case scenario of the DMCA.
It will end Free Software the moment it is passed because it demands
secret control of your system to protect copyright monopoly franchises.
Free Software can't be secret...

So the issue is, now that these bills, and other legislative and
regulatory activities, are removing the basic property rights and free
speech rights of PC owners, what do we do? Strangely enough, we MUST stop
chasing out tail. We tend to respond (ineffectively I might add) to one
ruling and bill after the next. We must also broaden our constituency.

Tony pointed out, quite correctly, that the Holling's bill is ultimately
a starting point of for re-education of the public and a negotiating
point for the assault on the 4th and 1st amendments. As I can see it,
the courts are not prepared to uphold the public's interest in the face
of legislation that promotes wiretapping and property damage to privately
owned computers with regard to monopoly franchises (ie: Copyright). We need
to go on the offensive and turn the tables. We need to control the language
used in the debate on these issues. We need to proactively present
bills that redefine Copyright in statutory law. For one thing, we need
to always publicly say, that when a law is passed which prevents
your full enjoyment of information legally acquired through purchase
or borrowing that this is the same as straling. We must explain it, in
clear and simple terms. We need to say that these reguations and business
activities are as if someone knocked down your door and stole your
computer, music and books. We need to say it immediately, constant and
often, because this is JUST what Adobe and Time-Warner said accessing a
DVD on GNU/Linux does. They literally say we're stealing. So we need to
turn it around and point out that if someone does actually break into your
house and steal all your DVD's that the individual calls the cops and reports
the theft, not Time-Warner.

In addition, we need to introduce a new bill that will protect fair use
and property rights. The bill, if crafted correctly, will fortify the
courts in protecting individuals against 4th amendment abuses, defuse
the DMCA and end a whole slew of unethical activities by the executive
branch of government, and Congress.

Jeanne Thewell, who is someone I would trust my life with,
is a lawyer working with NY Fair Use to draft such a bill
(thelwell-at-mindspring.com). The broad outline of the bill is as follows...

The legislation to be drafted will accomplish the following main stream
objectives which all reasonable people can expect:

-All copyrights to individual scores, writings, and recordings will be
returned to the original artist after a period of 10 years.

-No technology can be deployed which spies on, wiretaps or discloses
privately owned information which is stored on digital devices by
any government agency or private 3rd party without the issuance of a
publicly pronounced and disclosed warrant limited to a specific criminal
investigation.

-All copyright cases must prove, prior to a judgment of guilt, proof
that the actions in question did not infringe on Fair Use, and the
individuals rights under the 4th and 1st amendment of the Bill of rights
US Constitution.

-Ownership of all physical media, and devices to read such media, is
the sole property of the purchaser of the media, without an expressly
negotiated and signed contract between both the copyright holder and
the purchaser.

-No technological software or hardware method can be deployed in a digital
product and made available for normal retail sale which inhibits, in any
way, the full enjoyment of the property by the purchasers, regardless of
any agreement between the designer of the hardware or software products.
Such agreements are null, and not contractible.

-Copyright is an exception to Fair Use as it limits the ability for
individuals to enjoy their private property and express themselves with
the use of such copyrighted materials. Fair Use is a doctrine to be
based on the 4th and 1st amendments of the US Constitution.

-Individuals have the right to express themselves to others about the
means, mechanism and workings of all digital devices, including but not
limited to, discussion on how to make fair use of media, how to improve
such devices, or to reverse engineer all such devices and the algorithms
which are used to help them display, copy or run media.

We need to get as many big guns on this as possible and then relentlessly
campaign, actively working to elect supporters and vote out incumbent
opposition. In fact, we should look to defeat, not just the proposed
spyware legislation, but also defeat Senator Hollings

WE CAN force him from office, because he's a radical.

Finally, the issue of developing friends and allies. Specifically, they
have to be cultivated. Boucher is not powerful by himself, but if we
get Weiner to become vocal on this issue as well, we WILL turn the tied,
especially since Weiner was Chuck Schumer's chief of staff. Right now,
we need to find him, wherever he speaks, and ask him about this issue,
over and over again.

ALL POLITICS is LOCAL.

I'd love to expand on how to target a congressman. It's got to be
done like Tammany Hall, machine politics, in the neighborhoods, and
focusing on not only software, but the effects on education, libraries
and wiretapping!

~Ruben

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  1. 2002-05-01 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Flyers
  2. 2002-05-01 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Flyers
  3. 2002-05-01 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Javascript [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  4. 2002-05-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA Threat to free software developer
  5. 2002-05-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] DMCA Threat to free software developer
  6. 2002-05-01 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  7. 2002-05-01 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  8. 2002-05-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Javascript [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  9. 2002-05-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] Javascript [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  10. 2002-05-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] 'Melissa' Virus Maker Gets 20 Months [kika-at-ottostudio.com]
  11. 2002-05-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] 'Melissa' Virus Maker Gets 20 Months [kika-at-ottostudio.com]
  12. 2002-05-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Class Schedule
  13. 2002-05-01 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] radio
  14. 2002-05-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] differences between platforms
  15. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY demo confirmed
  16. 2002-05-02 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] education committee
  17. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyers
  18. 2002-05-02 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Flyers
  19. 2002-05-02 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Flyers
  20. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyers
  21. 2002-05-02 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Flyers
  22. 2002-05-02 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Flyers
  23. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: Re: [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Board Meeting 4/29/2002
  24. 2002-05-02 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Fw: Re: [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Board Meeting 4/29/2002
  25. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux1/Unix1 - TEST
  26. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux1/Unix1 - TEST
  27. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux1/Unix1 - TEST
  28. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting 4/29/2002
  29. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting 4/29/2002
  30. 2002-05-02 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting 4/29/2002 [jwb235-at-nyu.edu]
  31. 2002-05-02 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting 4/29/2002 [jwb235-at-nyu.edu]
  32. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Board Meeting 4/29/2002 [jwb235-at-nyu.edu]
  33. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] "Private" OpenOffice 1.0 mirror for NYLUGers (and everybody else)
  34. 2002-05-02 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY demo confirmed
  35. 2002-05-02 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo flyer
  36. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] David Sugar Audio File online
  37. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] David Sugar Audio File online
  38. 2002-05-02 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] education committee
  39. 2002-05-02 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Fw: Re: [nylxs-announce] NYLXS Board Meeting 4/29/2002
  40. 2002-05-02 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux1/Unix1 - TEST
  41. 2002-05-02 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux1/Unix1 - TEST
  42. 2002-05-02 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Semiconductor chip with synaptically connected snail neurons
  43. 2002-05-02 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] slide show
  44. 2002-05-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Conference Room
  45. 2002-05-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Conference Room
  46. 2002-05-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] installfest
  47. 2002-05-03 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] installfest
  48. 2002-05-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] installfest
  49. 2002-05-03 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Linux1/Unix1 - TEST
  50. 2002-05-03 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Linux1/Unix1 - TEST
  51. 2002-05-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] installfest
  52. 2002-05-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] installfest
  53. 2002-05-03 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Just Rewards - The NYLXS Team
  54. 2002-05-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] MS Exchange Linux Replacement Whitepaper
  55. 2002-05-03 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] MS Exchange Linux Replacement Whitepaper
  56. 2002-05-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Notes On Sept 11, 2001
  57. 2002-05-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Suse 7.3
  58. 2002-05-03 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Suse 7.3
  59. 2002-05-03 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: Class Room Space for NYLXS]
  60. 2002-05-03 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: Re: Class Room Space for NYLXS]
  61. 2002-05-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] classes
  62. 2002-05-04 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] classes
  63. 2002-05-04 Alan Wiess <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Class Scedule
  64. 2002-05-04 Alan Wiess <bandie-at-linuxfreemail.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Class Scedule
  65. 2002-05-04 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] classes
  66. 2002-05-04 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] classes
  67. 2002-05-04 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Class Scedule
  68. 2002-05-04 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Class Scedule
  69. 2002-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] *ASTOUNDING* Statement by Peruvian Congressman on Free
  70. 2002-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Classes
  71. 2002-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Classes
  72. 2002-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: Space in Tribeca [gil-at-ecommercepartners.net]
  73. 2002-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: RE: Space in Tribeca [gil-at-ecommercepartners.net]
  74. 2002-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Birthday NY Fairuse
  75. 2002-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Happy Birthday NY Fairuse
  76. 2002-05-05 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Meeting Tomorrow
  77. 2002-05-06 hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Re: Your Linux PR newsletter for May 6, 2002
  78. 2002-05-06 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] CUNY
  79. 2002-05-06 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] CUNY
  80. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] evolution
  81. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: [K12OSN] linux class
  82. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: [K12OSN] linux class
  83. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] monday meeting
  84. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] monday meeting
  85. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: RE: [nylug-talk] CUNY Small Business GNU/Linux Demo]
  86. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [Fwd: RE: [nylug-talk] CUNY Small Business GNU/Linux Demo]
  87. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Borogh Hall
  88. 2002-05-06 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] CUNY
  89. 2002-05-06 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] CUNY
  90. 2002-05-06 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Small Business GNU/Linux Demo
  91. 2002-05-06 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Small Business GNU/Linux Demo
  92. 2002-05-06 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] evolution
  93. 2002-05-06 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] evolution
  94. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] evolution
  95. 2002-05-06 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [K12OSN] linux class
  96. 2002-05-06 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [K12OSN] linux class
  97. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfeast for Linux 1 class
  98. 2002-05-06 jonathan jacobs <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] monday meeting
  99. 2002-05-06 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] php license
  100. 2002-05-06 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] PR Tool
  101. 2002-05-07 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] *ASTOUNDING* Statement by Peruvian Congressman on Free
  102. 2002-05-07 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] *ASTOUNDING* Statement by Peruvian Congressman on Free
  103. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 110 Wall space
  104. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 110 Wall space
  105. 2002-05-07 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] 110 Wall space
  106. 2002-05-07 Daniel Stringfield <dstringfield-at-arsenaldigital.com> RE: [hangout] Attention Education Committee
  107. 2002-05-07 Daniel Stringfield <dstringfield-at-arsenaldigital.com> RE: [hangout] Attention Education Committee
  108. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Attention Education Committee
  109. 2002-05-07 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Compulsory Windows: for Macs, and people without PCs?
  110. 2002-05-07 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Compulsory Windows: for Macs, and people without PCs?
  111. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Install Feast in the East Village
  112. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Install Feast in the East Village
  113. 2002-05-07 Eric R <ericr-at-yankthechain.com> Re: [hangout] Install Feast in the East Village
  114. 2002-05-07 Eric R <ericr-at-yankthechain.com> Re: [hangout] Install Feast in the East Village
  115. 2002-05-07 From: "David Sugar" <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] php license
  116. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] php license
  117. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] php license
  118. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] php license
  119. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] php license
  120. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] php license
  121. 2002-05-07 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] php license
  122. 2002-05-07 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] php license
  123. 2002-05-07 From: "Brendan W. McAdms" <rit-at-jacked-in.org> Re: [hangout] php license
  124. 2002-05-07 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] php license
  125. 2002-05-07 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Problem with mouse and gui
  126. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Attention Education Committee
  127. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Attention Education Committee
  128. 2002-05-07 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] Fw: Re: Address for submitting community events?
  129. 2002-05-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Install Feast in the East Village
  130. 2002-05-07 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] Mandrake 8.2 first look
  131. 2002-05-07 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] PR Committee
  132. 2002-05-07 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] PR committee
  133. 2002-05-07 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] PR committee
  134. 2002-05-07 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] Problem with mouse and gui
  135. 2002-05-07 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] Space in Woodside, Queens
  136. 2002-05-07 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] StarOffice to eat MS share (probably)
  137. 2002-05-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout]
  138. 2002-05-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Content Control and Boucher
  139. 2002-05-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Content Control and Boucher
  140. 2002-05-08 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] edited commentary
  141. 2002-05-08 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Problem with mouse and gui
  142. 2002-05-08 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Problem with mouse and gui
  143. 2002-05-08 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout]
  144. 2002-05-08 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] audio equipment for radio show
  145. 2002-05-08 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Calendar
  146. 2002-05-08 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Calendar
  147. 2002-05-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Content Control and Boucher
  148. 2002-05-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Content Control and Boucher
  149. 2002-05-08 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] edited commentary
  150. 2002-05-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  151. 2002-05-08 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Flyers
  152. 2002-05-08 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: edited comentary
  153. 2002-05-08 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: edited commentary
  154. 2002-05-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: proofed commentary
  155. 2002-05-08 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: proofed commentary
  156. 2002-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Documents and Audiences
  157. 2002-05-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] Documents and Audiences
  158. 2002-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Documents and Audiences
  159. 2002-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FW: Membership committee
  160. 2002-05-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Fw: Re: Address for submitting community events?
  161. 2002-05-09 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Fw: Re: Address for submitting community events?
  162. 2002-05-09 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] Fw: Re: Address for submitting community events?
  163. 2002-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: NYC -- Perl 1/Perl 2 class --> May 13th
  164. 2002-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: NYC -- Perl 1/Perl 2 class --> May 13th
  165. 2002-05-09 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Re: NYC -- Perl 1/Perl 2 class --> May 13th
  166. 2002-05-09 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Documents and Audiences
  167. 2002-05-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] FW: Membership committee
  168. 2002-05-09 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] FW: [Problhangout] em with mouse and gui
  169. 2002-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] OT: Fw: Brooklyn Jr. High School needs volunteer graphic design help [soei-at-sovisual.com]
  170. 2002-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] OT: Fw: Brooklyn Jr. High School needs volunteer graphic design help [soei-at-sovisual.com]
  171. 2002-05-09 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Journal Deadline
  172. 2002-05-09 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: NYC -- Perl 1/Perl 2 class --> May 13th
  173. 2002-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org: Fwd: Boucher: Pro- ContentControl]
  174. 2002-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org: Fwd: Boucher: Pro- ContentControl]
  175. 2002-05-09 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org: Fwd: Boucher: Pro- ContentControl]
  176. 2002-05-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Flyer
  177. 2002-05-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Flyer
  178. 2002-05-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] price of linux training
  179. 2002-05-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] price of linux training
  180. 2002-05-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] price of linux training
  181. 2002-05-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Content Control and Boucher (fwd)
  182. 2002-05-10 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Space in Woodside, Queens
  183. 2002-05-10 dustin perun <perun242-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] The worse use of PHP I ever saw...
  184. 2002-05-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Who is the teacher of the GNU/Linux One Class
  185. 2002-05-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Who is the teacher of the GNU/Linux One Class
  186. 2002-05-10 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] classes calendar
  187. 2002-05-10 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Flyer
  188. 2002-05-10 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Flyer
  189. 2002-05-10 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Flyers: Call for help.
  190. 2002-05-10 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Membership Meeting
  191. 2002-05-10 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] price of linux training
  192. 2002-05-10 marco <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] price of linux training
  193. 2002-05-10 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Sorry forgot to attach
  194. 2002-05-10 Joe Grastara <joe-at-endeavor.med.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Sorry forgot to attach
  195. 2002-05-10 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The worse use of PHP I ever saw...
  196. 2002-05-11 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Flyers For Tomorrow
  197. 2002-05-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyers For Tomorrow (fwd)
  198. 2002-05-11 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Flyers For Tomorrow (fwd)
  199. 2002-05-11 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Heard of SEUL.ORG?
  200. 2002-05-13 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] CUNY DEMO
  201. 2002-05-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CLasses and PR
  202. 2002-05-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CLasses and PR
  203. 2002-05-13 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS announcements
  204. 2002-05-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 and Perl 2 Class
  205. 2002-05-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 and Perl 2 Class
  206. 2002-05-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Linux Education continued
  207. 2002-05-13 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Linux Education continued
  208. 2002-05-13 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] scheduled demo
  209. 2002-05-13 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Unix 1 Upcoming Class -> May 15th
  210. 2002-05-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> FW: [hangout] minutes from may 5th
  211. 2002-05-14 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Re: [fairuse-discuss] Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Pact Reached to Stop Pirating Of Digital TV Over the Internet (fwd)
  212. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [fairuse] Re: [hangout] Pact Reached to Stop Pirating Of Digital TV Over the Internet (fwd)
  213. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 110 Wall Street
  214. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] 110 Wall Street
  215. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Digital "Rights"
  216. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Digital "Rights"
  217. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] minutes from may 5th
  218. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] minutes from may 5th
  219. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] minutes from may 5th
  220. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] minutes from may 5th
  221. 2002-05-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] minutes from may 5th
  222. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Pact Reached to Stop Pirating Of Digital TV Over the Internet (fwd)
  223. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Pact Reached to Stop Pirating Of Digital TV Over the Internet (fwd)
  224. 2002-05-14 Richard Stallman <rms-at-gnu.org> Re: [hangout] Pact Reached to Stop Pirating Of Digital TV Over the Internet (fwd)
  225. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please add my phpGroupware Demo to the list
  226. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Please add my phpGroupware Demo to the list
  227. 2002-05-14 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Sublease Agreement
  228. 2002-05-14 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Sublease Agreement
  229. 2002-05-14 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] RH 7.3 and Orinoco
  230. 2002-05-14 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [nylug-talk] Linux Education continued
  231. 2002-05-14 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] scheduled demo
  232. 2002-05-14 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] scheduled demo
  233. 2002-05-14 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] scheduled demo
  234. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] scheduled demo
  235. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] scheduled demo
  236. 2002-05-14 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] scheduled demo
  237. 2002-05-14 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] scheduled demo
  238. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] scheduled demo
  239. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] scheduled demo
  240. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] 110 Wall Street
  241. 2002-05-14 Brendan Tween <btween-at-cossettepost.com> Subject: [hangout] Digital "Rights"
  242. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Sublease agreement [Bcpnyc-at-aol.com]
  243. 2002-05-14 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] last night
  244. 2002-05-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Membership Drive
  245. 2002-05-14 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] minutes from may 5th
  246. 2002-05-14 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> Subject: [hangout] OT - hardware repair
  247. 2002-05-14 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> Subject: [hangout] OT - hardware repair
  248. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Marco Conti
  249. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Paging Marco Conti
  250. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 Class
  251. 2002-05-14 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] Please add my phpGroupware Demo to the list
  252. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Sublease Agreement
  253. 2002-05-14 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nycwireless] RH 7.3 and Orinoco
  254. 2002-05-14 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlnk.net> Subject: [hangout] Stallman mentions NYLXS at Moglen talk at nyu
  255. 2002-05-14 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Video
  256. 2002-05-14 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday 15 May 2002 NYLUG: Len Santalucia on Linux in the Marketplace
  257. 2002-05-15 jonathan-at-airbatic.com Re: [hangout] Easy to administer FTP application?
  258. 2002-05-15 Matthew Hirsch <mph-at-dorsai.org> Re: [hangout] Proposed banner for NYLXS
  259. 2002-05-15 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Stallman mentions NYLXS at Moglen talk at nyu
  260. 2002-05-15 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] Stallman mentions NYLXS at Moglen talk at nyu
  261. 2002-05-15 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] Stallman mentions NYLXS at Moglen talk at nyu
  262. 2002-05-15 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Who is going to NYLUG tonite?
  263. 2002-05-15 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] Who is going to NYLUG tonite?
  264. 2002-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Schedule
  265. 2002-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Schedule
  266. 2002-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: A good vertical [pnichols-at-brave.net]
  267. 2002-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: A good vertical [pnichols-at-brave.net]
  268. 2002-05-15 WWWhatsup <joly-at-dti.net> Subject: [hangout] Moglen webcast
  269. 2002-05-15 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Promoting NYLXS
  270. 2002-05-15 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Promoting NYLXS
  271. 2002-05-15 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Proposed banner for NYLXS
  272. 2002-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: OFF LIST Re: [nylxs-announce] Happy Birthday NY Fairuse
  273. 2002-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who is going to NYLUG tonite?
  274. 2002-05-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Who is going to NYLUG tonite?
  275. 2002-05-16 From: "David Sugar" <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Call to all CUNY demo participants.
  276. 2002-05-16 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Call to all CUNY demo participants.
  277. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  278. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  279. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DEMO
  280. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] DEMO
  281. 2002-05-16 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] Meeting CUNY Demo
  282. 2002-05-16 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Meeting CUNY Demo
  283. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Meeting CUNY Demo
  284. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Moglen webcast
  285. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Moglen webcast
  286. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Moglen webcast
  287. 2002-05-16 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Call to all CUNY demo participants.
  288. 2002-05-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  289. 2002-05-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  290. 2002-05-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] DEMO
  291. 2002-05-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] DEMO
  292. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Critical May 15th IE security patch [biteme-at-spamcop.net]
  293. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Critical May 15th IE security patch [biteme-at-spamcop.net]
  294. 2002-05-16 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Meeting CUNY Demo
  295. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Classrom Space:
  296. 2002-05-16 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] New Classrom Space:
  297. 2002-05-17 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Furniture for Asha Space
  298. 2002-05-17 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Furniture for Asha Space
  299. 2002-05-17 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Furniture for Asha Space
  300. 2002-05-17 From: "Juan Gonzalez" <juang-at-rm-cpa.com> RE: [hangout] Paging Marco Conti
  301. 2002-05-17 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  302. 2002-05-17 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: Furniture delivery for NYLXS
  303. 2002-05-17 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Slashdot: Migrating Your Office from Windows to Linux?
  304. 2002-05-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl 2 Class
  305. 2002-05-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 2 Class
  306. 2002-05-18 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 2 Class
  307. 2002-05-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [learn] Re: [hangout] Perl 2 Class (fwd)
  308. 2002-05-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [learn] Re: [hangout] Perl 2 Class (fwd)
  309. 2002-05-19 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] DMCA
  310. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY CUNY CUNY
  311. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY CUNY CUNY
  312. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  313. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  314. 2002-05-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  315. 2002-05-20 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  316. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  317. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  318. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Letter to Mr. Brown (CUNY demo)
  319. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Letter to Mr. Brown (CUNY demo)
  320. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl Classes
  321. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Perl Classes
  322. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] scheduled demo
  323. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] scheduled demo
  324. 2002-05-20 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] scheduled demo
  325. 2002-05-20 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] scheduled demo
  326. 2002-05-20 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> RE: [hangout] scheduled demo
  327. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Copyright Bill (fwd)
  328. 2002-05-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] CUNY CUNY CUNY
  329. 2002-05-20 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  330. 2002-05-20 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  331. 2002-05-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Final Base Touch CUNY Demo
  332. 2002-05-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: CUNY CUNY CUNY II [marco4linux-at-earthlink.net]
  333. 2002-05-20 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: CUNY CUNY CUNY II [marco4linux-at-earthlink.net]
  334. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Free Software Small Business and Government Demonstration [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com]
  335. 2002-05-20 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Letter to Mr. Brown (CUNY demo)
  336. 2002-05-20 Paul Rodriguez <sangretoro-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Letter to Mr. Brown (CUNY demo)
  337. 2002-05-20 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 2
  338. 2002-05-20 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] Posting CUNY event
  339. 2002-05-20 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] Posting CUNY event
  340. 2002-05-20 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Wednesday 22 May 2002 Panel on Eldred v. Ashcroft and the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act
  341. 2002-05-21 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Demo
  342. 2002-05-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] What's the address of Killarny Rose?
  343. 2002-05-21 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] questionnaire for cuny demo
  344. 2002-05-21 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Furniture for Asha Space
  345. 2002-05-21 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Furniture for Asha Space
  346. 2002-05-21 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] The meeting at the Rose went well
  347. 2002-05-21 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Subject: [hangout] What's the address of Killarny Rose?
  348. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY details for Friday
  349. 2002-05-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] CUNY details for Friday
  350. 2002-05-22 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] CUNY details for Friday
  351. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Flyers
  352. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Flyers
  353. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Defeating Sony CD Security
  354. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Defeating Sony CD Security
  355. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux install on a Sony Vaio
  356. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Linux install on a Sony Vaio
  357. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] new flyer
  358. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] new flyer
  359. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS Non profit application update
  360. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] The meeting at the Rose went well
  361. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What's the address of Killarny Rose?
  362. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] What's the address of Killarny Rose?
  363. 2002-05-22 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Flyers
  364. 2002-05-22 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Flyers
  365. 2002-05-22 Brendan Tween <btween-at-cossettepost.com> Subject: [hangout] Defeating Sony CD Security
  366. 2002-05-22 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Friday 24 May 2002 NYLXS CUNY Demo
  367. 2002-05-22 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Friday 24 May 2002 NYLXS CUNY Demo
  368. 2002-05-22 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] GAR State Management System
  369. 2002-05-22 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] new flyer
  370. 2002-05-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: new flyer
  371. 2002-05-22 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> Subject: [hangout] RE: new flyer
  372. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tomorrw Morning NYSSCPA
  373. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Tomorrw Morning NYSSCPA
  374. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: dhcp/dhcp-server (SuSE-SA:2002:019) (fwd)
  375. 2002-05-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: dhcp/dhcp-server (SuSE-SA:2002:019) (fwd)
  376. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Can I get someone's cell phone number
  377. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Can I get someone's cell phone number
  378. 2002-05-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] computers
  379. 2002-05-23 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] computers
  380. 2002-05-23 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] computers
  381. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] computers
  382. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] computers
  383. 2002-05-23 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] CUNY details for Friday
  384. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY details for Friday
  385. 2002-05-23 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] CUNY details for Friday
  386. 2002-05-23 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] CUNY Flyers
  387. 2002-05-23 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] CUNY Flyers
  388. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Organising tomorrow.
  389. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Organising tomorrow.
  390. 2002-05-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Re: [hangout] Organizing tomorrow.
  391. 2002-05-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Organizing tomorrow.
  392. 2002-05-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Organizing tomorrow.
  393. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Problem with my schedule tomorrow
  394. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Problem with my schedule tomorrow
  395. 2002-05-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: flyers needed
  396. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sendmail Configuration
  397. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sendmail Configuration
  398. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sendmail Configuration
  399. 2002-05-23 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Sendmail Configuration
  400. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sendmail Configuration
  401. 2002-05-23 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> RE: [hangout] Sendmail Configuration
  402. 2002-05-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Sendmail Configuration
  403. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Sendmail Configuration
  404. 2002-05-23 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] Can I get someone's cell phone number
  405. 2002-05-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Demo
  406. 2002-05-23 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Demo
  407. 2002-05-23 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Friday 24 May 2002 NYLXS: GNU/Linux and Free Software Business Demo at CUNY
  408. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Contract - Set up our office LAN [lkertz-at-privacyknowledge.net]
  409. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] JOB: Contract - Set up our office LAN [lkertz-at-privacyknowledge.net]
  410. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] RE: JOB Need an ORACLE GURU to install CRM MODULES and TWEAK some stuff [jelly-at-peanutbutterandjelly.tv]
  411. 2002-05-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] RE: JOB Need an ORACLE GURU to install CRM MODULES and TWEAK some stuff [jelly-at-peanutbutterandjelly.tv]
  412. 2002-05-23 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal Deadline
  413. 2002-05-23 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal Deadline
  414. 2002-05-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Organising tomorrow.
  415. 2002-05-23 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Organising tomorrow.
  416. 2002-05-23 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> Subject: [hangout] Problem with my schedule tomorrow
  417. 2002-05-23 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: flyers needed
  418. 2002-05-23 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: flyers needed
  419. 2002-05-23 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Sendmail Configuration
  420. 2002-05-23 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] WTC site hearings tomorrow at Pace (fwd)
  421. 2002-05-23 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] WTC site hearings tomorrow at Pace (fwd)
  422. 2002-05-24 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] Defeating Sony CD Security
  423. 2002-05-24 a1enviro-at-cloud9.net Re: [hangout] Defeating Sony CD Security
  424. 2002-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Problem with my schedule tomorrow (and other signs of parental success)
  425. 2002-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Problem with my schedule tomorrow (and other signs of parental success)
  426. 2002-05-24 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Problem with my schedule tomorrow (and other signs of parental success)
  427. 2002-05-24 From: "Phil Glaser" <StillSmallVoice-at-directvinternet.com> RE: [hangout] Problem with my schedule tomorrow (and other signs of parental success)
  428. 2002-05-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] [wwwac] Looking for PHP programmer (fwd)
  429. 2002-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Transport from Brooklyn
  430. 2002-05-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Transport from Brooklyn
  431. 2002-05-24 From: "William Brent" <wbrent-at-finepoint.com> Subject: [hangout] wanted
  432. 2002-05-24 dustin perun <perun242-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] wie gehts?
  433. 2002-05-24 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] Looking for PHP programmer (fwd)
  434. 2002-05-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] CONGRATULATIONS ON HUGE SUCCESS<exclaim />
  435. 2002-05-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] FC: Hollywood wants to plug "analog hole," regulate A-D converters (fwd)
  436. 2002-05-25 From: "Ruben" <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Does GNU/Linux really save businesses money?
  437. 2002-05-25 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Possible Demo after HDTV wiretapping announcement
  438. 2002-05-25 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Possible Demo after HDTV wiretapping announcement
  439. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] roadrunner
  440. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] roadrunner
  441. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] roadrunner
  442. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] roadrunner
  443. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] roadrunner
  444. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] roadrunner
  445. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] roadrunner
  446. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] roadrunner
  447. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] roadrunner
  448. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Tomorrow
  449. 2002-05-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Tomorrow
  450. 2002-05-28 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Classes this week
  451. 2002-05-28 From: "Miguel E. Jimenez" <mej-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Classes this week
  452. 2002-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Classes this week
  453. 2002-05-28 From: "Brendan W. McAdams" <rit-at-jacked-in.org> Re: [hangout] Roadrunner Service
  454. 2002-05-28 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Roadrunner Service
  455. 2002-05-28 From: "Brendan W. McAdams" <rit-at-jacked-in.org> Re: [hangout] Roadrunner Service
  456. 2002-05-28 From: "Brendan W. McAdams" <rit-at-jacked-in.org> Re: [hangout] Roadrunner Service
  457. 2002-05-28 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Roadrunner Service
  458. 2002-05-28 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Re: [hangout] Roadrunner Service
  459. 2002-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Classes this week - Changwe to Board Meeting
  460. 2002-05-28 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] roadrunner
  461. 2002-05-28 jonathan <jonathan-at-airbatic.com> Subject: [hangout] roadrunner
  462. 2002-05-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Roadrunner Service
  463. 2002-05-31 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] FSI Summer Session
  464. 2002-05-31 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] FSI Summer Session

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