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On 2002.07.01 14:50 tom poe wrote: > Hi, Ruben: Do me a favor. You have a group of activists itching to get > this thing short-circuited. I think it would be terrifically helpful, if > you could organize a "think tank" and tear Bruce Lehman's "White Paper" > apart > http://www.geog.ubc.ca/~acitpo/copyright/clinton_whitepaper.html > > Hollings, and RIAA are quoting this thing verbatim, without the required > copyright acknowledgements! And they're doing it on a daily basis. What > is coming out as news stories, and new developments can be found > word-for-word in that document, written in 1995. > > In other words, that's a road-map as to where we're going with this DRM > stuff. With stops like, libraries will be able to make three electronic > copies, then have only one available for checkout at any given time, and > for most stuff, will be subscribing, rather than purchasing, so that > each view is pay-per-view. You mentioned the Adobe schoolbook fiasco? > Well, it was laid out in the "White Paper". > > What we need, is some organization that can tie that paper to what's > going down now, and certainly show where we're headed. Right? Let me > know, if I can help. > Thanks, > Tom Poe > Reno, NV > > Ruben I Safir wrote: > > DMR violates Fair Use by violating the 4th Ammendment > > > > On 2002.07.01 12:09 tom poe wrote: > > > >>Hi: DRM and Fair Use are contradictory concepts. Has there been one > >>example of DRM discussion that permits discussion of Fair Use features? > >> > >>Has there been one example of DRM that provides interoperability with > >>Open Source software? Without establishing and reconciling such apparent > >>conflict, how can the academic community even begin to participate? > >> > >>It's a crying shame, and those that continue to pursue the concept of > >>DRM should be held accountable for their embracement of oligopoly and > >>total abandonment of Democratic ideals. Traitor may not be a strong > >>enough word to describe them. > >>Thanks, > >>Tom Poe > >>Reno, NV > >>-- > >>http://www.studioforrecording.org/ > >>http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ > >>http://renotahoe.pm.org/ > >> > >>-- > >>Hollywood's BPDG Group ?!? > >> Never heard of them. What did they do in technology > >>except manage to put on their tie without accidentaly killing > >>themselves ?!? > >>[ modified quote from dm-at-zensunni.demon.nl ] > >>-- > >>Seth Johnson wrote: > >> > >>>(Forwarded from Digital Copyright list, > >>>digital-copyright-at-lists.umuc.edu) > >>> > >>>-------- Original Message -------- > >>>Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:51 -0500 > >>>From: "Charles E. Jones" > >>> > >>> > >>>Forwarded at the request of the undersigned. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 07:51:55 -0400 > >>>>From: Patrick Durusau > >>>> > >>>>Greetings, > >>>> > >>>>I deeply appreciate Robin Cover's post to the list > >>>>requesting DRM requirements and would urge the > >>>>academic community to response appropriately, even > >>>>given the rather short deadline for requirements > >>>>(7 August 2002). > >>>> > >>>>In terms of deciding to devote summer hours to > >>>>this task, please consider the membership of this > >>>>TC: > >>>> > >>>>Hari Reddy, Chairperson ContentGuard > >>>>Carlisle Adams, Entrust > >>>>Bob Atkinson, Microsoft > >>>>Thomas DeMartini, ContentGuard > >>>>John Erickson, H.P. > >>>>Brad Gandee, Secretary ContentGuard > >>>>Bob Glushko, CommerceOne > >>>>Thomas Hardjono, Verisign > >>>>Hal Lockhart, Entegrity > >>>>M. Paramasivam, Microsoft > >>>>David Parrott, Reuters > >>>>Harry Piccariello, ContentGuard > >>>>Peter Schirling, IBM > >>>>Xin Wang, ContentGuard > >>>> > >>>>While I am sure all the members of the TC will > >>>>try to develop a standard that represents the > >>>>interests of everyone affected by the DRM > >>>>standard, I fail to see any representation of > >>>>the academic, library or other communities. > >>>>That is not to imply any fault on the part of > >>>>the TC or OASIS, as a community academics have > >>>>tended to absent themselves from such > >>>>discussions. > >>>> > >>>>The interests of the academic community in > >>>>issues such as "fair use" and allowing free > >>>>(or at least non-commercial) use of texts and > >>>>research will not be well served by a standard > >>>>that protects the commercial rights in the > >>>>"Lion King" and similar artifacts. Our > >>>>requirements are different and any standard > >>>>for DRM should not attempt a one size fits all > >>>>solution. I am sure that the TC would welcome > >>>>academic input that would lead to a more > >>>>nuanced standard that meets a wide range of > >>>>needs, one of the hallmarks of a successful > >>>>standard. > >>>> > >>>>Note that a DRM standard will eventually find > >>>>its way into hardware/software and it will be > >>>>too late to complain at that point that it > >>>>does not meet the needs of the academic > >>>>community. > >>>> > >>>>Please forward Robin's note (and my comments > >>>>if you think appropriate) to anyone you know > >>>>who is interested in "fair use" or more > >>>>generally access to academic materials, since > >>>>a DRM standard will deeply affect both issues. > >>>> > >>>>Patrick > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 06:40:20 +0100 > >>>>>From: Robin Cover > >>>>>Subject: Request for DRM Requirements > >>>>> > >>>>>An OASIS Rights Language Technical Committee > >>>>>[1] has been established to "define the > >>>>>industry standard for a rights language" that > >>>>>would govern many application domains, > >>>>>including (potentially) digital libraries and > >>>>>archive projects. The TC has is using an > >>>>>XrML markup language specification from > >>>>>ContentGuard (Xerox and Microsoft) as the > >>>>>basis for defining this common standard. > >>>>> > >>>>>Requirements are now being collected as input > >>>>>to the standard's design. A request is hereby > >>>>>made for input from the academic community, > >>>>>(digital) libraries, museums, archive centers > >>>>>[etc], including persons affiliated with ALA > >>>>>or RLG. The relevant OASIS subcommittee will > >>>>>collect requirements through August 7, 2002. > >>>>> > >>>>>Current legislative proposals for > >>>>>incorporating DRM technology and usage > >>>>>policies into computer hardware, operating > >>>>>system software, and applications level > >>>>>software raise the stakes for the humanities > >>>>>community, especially as traditional notions > >>>>>of fair use are being challenged as too > >>>>>burdensome to implement in DRM systems. The > >>>>>Creative Commons Project [2] exemplifies the > >>>>>attempt of one group to counter this trend, > >>>>>but the effects of a government-mandated > >>>>>universal DRM technology are of concern to a > >>>>>growing number of technologists [3]. > >>>>> > >>>>>Any interested party having access to DRM > >>>>>specifications or implementations, or > >>>>>otherwise motivated to help in the submission > >>>>>of 'rights management' requirements for > >>>>>humanities computing applications is invited > >>>>>to send email expressing this interest. > >>>>> > >>>>>Robin Cover > >>>>>robin-at-isogen.com > >>>>> > >>>>>[1] http://xml.coverpages.org/oasisRightsLanguage.html > >>>>>[2] http://www.creativecommons.org/ > >>>>>[3] http://xml.coverpages.org/patents.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>-- > >>>>Patrick Durusau > >>>>Director of Research and Development > >>>>Society of Biblical Literature > >>>>pdurusau-at-emory.edu > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------ > >>>http://www.anti-dmca.org > >>>------------------------ > >>> > >>>DMCA_Discuss mailing list > >>>DMCA_Discuss-at-lists.microshaft.org > >>>http://lists.microshaft.org/mailman/listinfo/dmca_discuss > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>____________________________ > >>New Yorkers for Fair Use - > >>because it's either fair use or useless.... > >> > > > > > -- > http://www.studioforrecording.org/ > http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/ > http://renotahoe.pm.org/ > > -- > Hollywood's BPDG Group ?!? > Never heard of them. What did they do in technology > except manage to put on their tie without accidentaly killing > themselves ?!? > [ modified quote from dm-at-zensunni.demon.nl ] > -- > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw you... http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-5752 ____________________________ New Yorker Linux Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Violators of Copyright! Unite 2002-07-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Last Nights Radio Show 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] moving to linux... 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [wwwac] moving to linux... 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 David Katz <omnimath-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 David Katz <omnimath-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] [jam-at-rm-cpa.com: [nylxs-announce] NY CPA bus & technology show Aug 6 &7] 2002-07-02 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] [jam-at-rm-cpa.com: [nylxs-announce] NY CPA bus & technology show Aug 6 &7] 2002-07-02 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] GBLUG Follows NYLXS Lead (fwd) 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [jam-at-rm-cpa.com: [nylxs-announce] NY CPA bus & technology show Aug 6 &7] 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] [jam-at-rm-cpa.com: [nylxs-announce] NY CPA bus & technology show Aug 6 &7] 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jam-at-rm-cpa.com: [nylxs-announce] NY CPA bus & technology show Aug 6 &7] 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jam-at-rm-cpa.com: [nylxs-announce] NY CPA bus & technology show Aug 6 &7] 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Cancelled Tonite 2002-07-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Class Cancelled Tonite 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-01 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS JOURNAL 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [DMCA-Activists] WMP DRM update [matt-at-ele.uri.edu] 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [DMCA-Activists] WMP DRM update [matt-at-ele.uri.edu] 2002-07-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [DMCA-Activists] WMP DRM update [matt-at-ele.uri.edu] 2002-07-01 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [DMCA-Activists] WMP DRM update 2002-07-01 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: [DMCA-Activists] WMP DRM update [matt-at-ele.uri.edu] 2002-07-01 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] mrproject 2002-07-01 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] mrproject 2002-07-01 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] mrproject 2002-07-01 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Journal 2002-07-01 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Journal 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Journal 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Journal 2002-07-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] mrproject 2002-07-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] mrproject 2002-07-01 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal 2002-07-01 Mike Richardson - Jounal Committee NYLXS <miker-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Journal 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] a new low in the job market for web designers [matthew-at-splitred.com] 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] a new low in the job market for web designers [matthew-at-splitred.com] 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] newbie help? 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse-discuss] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Call for Input on Content Control 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse-discuss] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Call for Input on Content Control 2002-07-01 Marco Scoffier <marco4linux-at-earthlink.net> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [DMCA-Activists] MS DRMOS Palladium -- The Trojan Horse OS [jono-at-networkcommand.com] 2002-07-05 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Microsoft Linux on the way 2002-07-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYTIMES - We are wired to Co-orperate 2002-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Report on Washington action 2002-07-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-rm-cpa.com: Re: More Press] 2002-07-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Server Access 2002-07-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Adding to the newdmcanightmare 15 to 1 page 2002-07-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Movies = Legal Tender? 2002-07-19 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: Closing Down . . . 2002-07-17 From: "Inker, Evan" <EInker-at-gam.com> RE: [hangout] Ruben arrested in DC 2002-07-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Phone Number of Department of Commerce 2002-07-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Update on LaGuardia demo 2002-07-15 From: "Miguel E. Jimenez" <mej-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Class Cancelled Tonite 2002-07-15 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] DC 7/17: Slogans for Demo Production 2002-07-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Re: DC 7/17: 2) The Plan; C. The Demonstration 2002-07-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Re: DC 7/17: 2) The Plan; C. The Demonstration 2002-07-14 Sarah Brown <sbrown-at-emoglen.law.columbia.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: Dc 7/17: Schedule / Need Media Advisory 2002-07-13 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] Re: Already done. 2002-07-12 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] [Fwd: meeting] 2002-07-12 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] DC 7/17: A Couple of Number(s) 2002-07-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LSM French Translation of our presentation 2002-07-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LSM French Translation of our presentation 2002-07-11 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] DC 7/17: Propagate the Message 2002-07-09 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] nylxs server issues 2002-07-08 From: "Miguel E. Jimenez" <mej-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Class Cancelled Tonite 2002-07-08 From: "Miguel E. Jimenez" <mej-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Class Cancelled Tonite 2002-07-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Server Access 2002-07-07 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] >> 7/17 << Commerce Dept Public Meeting: Digital Entertainment 2002-07-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Cancel Radio Show this week 2002-07-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Cancel Radio Show this week 2002-07-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Cancel Radio Show this week 2002-07-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Microsoft Linux on the way 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use by Brooklyn Bars 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use by Brooklyn Bars 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Jeanne Edna Thelwell <jeanne.thelwell-at-verizon.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Subject: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs... 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs... 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs... 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Could Hollywood hack your PC? 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs... 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs... 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs... 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Installing new application, must remove older version? 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs... 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] fund raising 2002-07-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] fund raising 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2002-07-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2002-07-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2002-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2002-07-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs... 2002-07-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs... 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs... 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lokks like we opened a pandora's box 2002-07-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Feared Copyright Pirates Ask for Letters of Marque and Reprisal Against All United States Citizens 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] cloning 2002-07-25 Dave Cepeda <DCepeda-at-calleci.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] fall classes 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fall classes 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fall classes 2002-07-25 Dave Cepeda <DCepeda-at-calleci.com> Subject: [hangout] cloning 2002-07-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting 2002-07-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylscottw-at-yahoo.com: [wwwac] A Fair Use Law] 2002-07-24 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Thursday 25 July 2002 UNIGROUP: Tamar Newberger on Building a Virtual Workplace: Web-enabling Legacy Applications and Providing Secure, Remote Access 2002-07-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FYI: NBC Nightly News (now) 2002-07-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] FYI: NBC Nightly News (now) 2002-07-28 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Get the word out 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Get the word out 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jj-at-xient.com: [wwwac] The Internet Radio Fairness Act] 2002-07-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Lexar Media and Linux 2002-07-31 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: Moving from Asha 2002-07-31 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update 2002-07-31 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] All geeks must be Gay 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Moving stuff 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS for August/Asha 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS for August/Asha 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving out of Asha 2002-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this 2002-07-31 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this 2002-07-31 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] [wynkoop-at-wynn.com: S2395] 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press 2002-07-30 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] More Press 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Press 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Press 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mjr40-at-ix.netcom.com: [nylug-talk] Sample letter for Bill S.2395] 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mjr40-at-ix.netcom.com: [nylug-talk] Sample letter for Bill S.2395] 2002-07-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting Review 2002-07-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting Review 2002-07-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Senator Contact Info 2002-07-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Senator Contact Info 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Review 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Review 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] NY Senators contact Info 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] NY Senators contact Info 2002-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Recent Legistlative Activity on DRM 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bill to end Fair Use 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] New Biden amendment to make bypassing DRM a felony 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn landmarks 2002-07-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software. 2002-07-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Update on LaGuardia demo 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Update on LaGuardia demo 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Phone Number of Department of Commerce 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Phone Number of Department of Commerce 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! Linux network engineer?? 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! Linux network engineer?? 2002-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! real Linux newbie question NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!