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MESSAGE
DATE 2002-07-01
FROM Ruben I Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse-discuss] Re: [DMCA_Discuss] Call for Input on Content Control

OK

Let me catch my breath for a minute.


On 2002.07.01 14:50 tom poe wrote:
> Hi, Ruben: Do me a favor. You have a group of activists itching to get
> this thing short-circuited. I think it would be terrifically helpful, if
> you could organize a "think tank" and tear Bruce Lehman's "White Paper"
> apart
> http://www.geog.ubc.ca/~acitpo/copyright/clinton_whitepaper.html
>
> Hollings, and RIAA are quoting this thing verbatim, without the required
> copyright acknowledgements! And they're doing it on a daily basis. What
> is coming out as news stories, and new developments can be found
> word-for-word in that document, written in 1995.
>
> In other words, that's a road-map as to where we're going with this DRM
> stuff. With stops like, libraries will be able to make three electronic
> copies, then have only one available for checkout at any given time, and
> for most stuff, will be subscribing, rather than purchasing, so that
> each view is pay-per-view. You mentioned the Adobe schoolbook fiasco?
> Well, it was laid out in the "White Paper".
>
> What we need, is some organization that can tie that paper to what's
> going down now, and certainly show where we're headed. Right? Let me
> know, if I can help.
> Thanks,
> Tom Poe
> Reno, NV
>
> Ruben I Safir wrote:
> > DMR violates Fair Use by violating the 4th Ammendment
> >
> > On 2002.07.01 12:09 tom poe wrote:
> >
> >>Hi: DRM and Fair Use are contradictory concepts. Has there been one
> >>example of DRM discussion that permits discussion of Fair Use features?
> >>
> >>Has there been one example of DRM that provides interoperability with
> >>Open Source software? Without establishing and reconciling such apparent
> >>conflict, how can the academic community even begin to participate?
> >>
> >>It's a crying shame, and those that continue to pursue the concept of
> >>DRM should be held accountable for their embracement of oligopoly and
> >>total abandonment of Democratic ideals. Traitor may not be a strong
> >>enough word to describe them.
> >>Thanks,
> >>Tom Poe
> >>Reno, NV
> >>--
> >>http://www.studioforrecording.org/
> >>http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/
> >>http://renotahoe.pm.org/
> >>
> >>--
> >>Hollywood's BPDG Group ?!?
> >> Never heard of them. What did they do in technology
> >>except manage to put on their tie without accidentaly killing
> >>themselves ?!?
> >>[ modified quote from dm-at-zensunni.demon.nl ]
> >>--
> >>Seth Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >>>(Forwarded from Digital Copyright list,
> >>>digital-copyright-at-lists.umuc.edu)
> >>>
> >>>-------- Original Message --------
> >>>Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:12:51 -0500
> >>>From: "Charles E. Jones"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Forwarded at the request of the undersigned.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 07:51:55 -0400
> >>>>From: Patrick Durusau
> >>>>
> >>>>Greetings,
> >>>>
> >>>>I deeply appreciate Robin Cover's post to the list
> >>>>requesting DRM requirements and would urge the
> >>>>academic community to response appropriately, even
> >>>>given the rather short deadline for requirements
> >>>>(7 August 2002).
> >>>>
> >>>>In terms of deciding to devote summer hours to
> >>>>this task, please consider the membership of this
> >>>>TC:
> >>>>
> >>>>Hari Reddy, Chairperson ContentGuard
> >>>>Carlisle Adams, Entrust
> >>>>Bob Atkinson, Microsoft
> >>>>Thomas DeMartini, ContentGuard
> >>>>John Erickson, H.P.
> >>>>Brad Gandee, Secretary ContentGuard
> >>>>Bob Glushko, CommerceOne
> >>>>Thomas Hardjono, Verisign
> >>>>Hal Lockhart, Entegrity
> >>>>M. Paramasivam, Microsoft
> >>>>David Parrott, Reuters
> >>>>Harry Piccariello, ContentGuard
> >>>>Peter Schirling, IBM
> >>>>Xin Wang, ContentGuard
> >>>>
> >>>>While I am sure all the members of the TC will
> >>>>try to develop a standard that represents the
> >>>>interests of everyone affected by the DRM
> >>>>standard, I fail to see any representation of
> >>>>the academic, library or other communities.
> >>>>That is not to imply any fault on the part of
> >>>>the TC or OASIS, as a community academics have
> >>>>tended to absent themselves from such
> >>>>discussions.
> >>>>
> >>>>The interests of the academic community in
> >>>>issues such as "fair use" and allowing free
> >>>>(or at least non-commercial) use of texts and
> >>>>research will not be well served by a standard
> >>>>that protects the commercial rights in the
> >>>>"Lion King" and similar artifacts. Our
> >>>>requirements are different and any standard
> >>>>for DRM should not attempt a one size fits all
> >>>>solution. I am sure that the TC would welcome
> >>>>academic input that would lead to a more
> >>>>nuanced standard that meets a wide range of
> >>>>needs, one of the hallmarks of a successful
> >>>>standard.
> >>>>
> >>>>Note that a DRM standard will eventually find
> >>>>its way into hardware/software and it will be
> >>>>too late to complain at that point that it
> >>>>does not meet the needs of the academic
> >>>>community.
> >>>>
> >>>>Please forward Robin's note (and my comments
> >>>>if you think appropriate) to anyone you know
> >>>>who is interested in "fair use" or more
> >>>>generally access to academic materials, since
> >>>>a DRM standard will deeply affect both issues.
> >>>>
> >>>>Patrick
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 06:40:20 +0100
> >>>>>From: Robin Cover
> >>>>>Subject: Request for DRM Requirements
> >>>>>
> >>>>>An OASIS Rights Language Technical Committee
> >>>>>[1] has been established to "define the
> >>>>>industry standard for a rights language" that
> >>>>>would govern many application domains,
> >>>>>including (potentially) digital libraries and
> >>>>>archive projects. The TC has is using an
> >>>>>XrML markup language specification from
> >>>>>ContentGuard (Xerox and Microsoft) as the
> >>>>>basis for defining this common standard.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Requirements are now being collected as input
> >>>>>to the standard's design. A request is hereby
> >>>>>made for input from the academic community,
> >>>>>(digital) libraries, museums, archive centers
> >>>>>[etc], including persons affiliated with ALA
> >>>>>or RLG. The relevant OASIS subcommittee will
> >>>>>collect requirements through August 7, 2002.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Current legislative proposals for
> >>>>>incorporating DRM technology and usage
> >>>>>policies into computer hardware, operating
> >>>>>system software, and applications level
> >>>>>software raise the stakes for the humanities
> >>>>>community, especially as traditional notions
> >>>>>of fair use are being challenged as too
> >>>>>burdensome to implement in DRM systems. The
> >>>>>Creative Commons Project [2] exemplifies the
> >>>>>attempt of one group to counter this trend,
> >>>>>but the effects of a government-mandated
> >>>>>universal DRM technology are of concern to a
> >>>>>growing number of technologists [3].
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Any interested party having access to DRM
> >>>>>specifications or implementations, or
> >>>>>otherwise motivated to help in the submission
> >>>>>of 'rights management' requirements for
> >>>>>humanities computing applications is invited
> >>>>>to send email expressing this interest.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Robin Cover
> >>>>>robin-at-isogen.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>[1] http://xml.coverpages.org/oasisRightsLanguage.html
> >>>>>[2] http://www.creativecommons.org/
> >>>>>[3] http://xml.coverpages.org/patents.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Patrick Durusau
> >>>>Director of Research and Development
> >>>>Society of Biblical Literature
> >>>>pdurusau-at-emory.edu
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>------------------------
> >>>http://www.anti-dmca.org
> >>>------------------------
> >>>
> >>>DMCA_Discuss mailing list
> >>>DMCA_Discuss-at-lists.microshaft.org
> >>>http://lists.microshaft.org/mailman/listinfo/dmca_discuss
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>____________________________
> >>New Yorkers for Fair Use -
> >>because it's either fair use or useless....
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> http://www.studioforrecording.org/
> http://www.ibiblio.org/studioforrecording/
> http://renotahoe.pm.org/
>
> --
> Hollywood's BPDG Group ?!?
> Never heard of them. What did they do in technology
> except manage to put on their tie without accidentaly killing
> themselves ?!?
> [ modified quote from dm-at-zensunni.demon.nl ]
> --
>
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  72. 2002-07-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LSM French Translation of our presentation
  73. 2002-07-11 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] DC 7/17: Propagate the Message
  74. 2002-07-09 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] nylxs server issues
  75. 2002-07-08 From: "Miguel E. Jimenez" <mej-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Class Cancelled Tonite
  76. 2002-07-08 From: "Miguel E. Jimenez" <mej-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Class Cancelled Tonite
  77. 2002-07-08 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] Server Access
  78. 2002-07-07 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] >> 7/17 << Commerce Dept Public Meeting: Digital Entertainment
  79. 2002-07-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Cancel Radio Show this week
  80. 2002-07-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Cancel Radio Show this week
  81. 2002-07-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Cancel Radio Show this week
  82. 2002-07-05 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Microsoft Linux on the way
  83. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use by Brooklyn Bars
  84. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use by Brooklyn Bars
  85. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  86. 2002-07-26 Jeanne Edna Thelwell <jeanne.thelwell-at-verizon.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  87. 2002-07-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  88. 2002-07-26 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  89. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  90. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  91. 2002-07-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  92. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  93. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  94. 2002-07-26 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Subject: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  95. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  96. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  97. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  98. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  99. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  100. 2002-07-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  101. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  102. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  103. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  104. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  105. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  106. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Could Hollywood hack your PC?
  107. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  108. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  109. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  110. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Installing new application, must remove older version?
  111. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  112. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  113. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  114. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] fund raising
  115. 2002-07-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] fund raising
  116. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  117. 2002-07-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  118. 2002-07-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  119. 2002-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  120. 2002-07-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  121. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  122. 2002-07-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  123. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  124. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lokks like we opened a pandora's box
  125. 2002-07-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  126. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Feared Copyright Pirates Ask for Letters of Marque and Reprisal Against All United States Citizens
  127. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes
  128. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes
  129. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] cloning
  130. 2002-07-25 Dave Cepeda <DCepeda-at-calleci.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes
  131. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] fall classes
  132. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  133. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fall classes
  134. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fall classes
  135. 2002-07-25 Dave Cepeda <DCepeda-at-calleci.com> Subject: [hangout] cloning
  136. 2002-07-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  137. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  138. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  139. 2002-07-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylscottw-at-yahoo.com: [wwwac] A Fair Use Law]
  140. 2002-07-24 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Thursday 25 July 2002 UNIGROUP: Tamar Newberger on Building a Virtual Workplace: Web-enabling Legacy Applications and Providing Secure, Remote Access
  141. 2002-07-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FYI: NBC Nightly News (now)
  142. 2002-07-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] FYI: NBC Nightly News (now)
  143. 2002-07-28 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  144. 2002-07-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  145. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  146. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  147. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Get the word out
  148. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Get the word out
  149. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jj-at-xient.com: [wwwac] The Internet Radio Fairness Act]
  150. 2002-07-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Lexar Media and Linux
  151. 2002-07-31 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: Moving from Asha
  152. 2002-07-31 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update
  153. 2002-07-31 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update
  154. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] All geeks must be Gay
  155. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Moving stuff
  156. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS for August/Asha
  157. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS for August/Asha
  158. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving out of Asha
  159. 2002-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  160. 2002-07-31 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  161. 2002-07-31 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  162. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  163. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  164. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] [wynkoop-at-wynn.com: S2395]
  165. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  166. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  167. 2002-07-30 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  168. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  169. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  170. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Press
  171. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Press
  172. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mjr40-at-ix.netcom.com: [nylug-talk] Sample letter for Bill S.2395]
  173. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mjr40-at-ix.netcom.com: [nylug-talk] Sample letter for Bill S.2395]
  174. 2002-07-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  175. 2002-07-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  176. 2002-07-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Senator Contact Info
  177. 2002-07-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Senator Contact Info
  178. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  179. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  180. 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] NY Senators contact Info
  181. 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] NY Senators contact Info
  182. 2002-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  183. 2002-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Recent Legistlative Activity on DRM
  184. 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  185. 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bill to end Fair Use
  186. 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] New Biden amendment to make bypassing DRM a felony
  187. 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn landmarks
  188. 2002-07-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  189. 2002-07-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  190. 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Update on LaGuardia demo
  191. 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Update on LaGuardia demo
  192. 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Phone Number of Department of Commerce
  193. 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Phone Number of Department of Commerce
  194. 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! Linux network engineer??
  195. 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! Linux network engineer??
  196. 2002-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! real Linux newbie question

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