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MESSAGE
DATE 2002-07-01
FROM Marco Scoffier
SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [DMCA-Activists] MS DRMOS Palladium -- The Trojan Horse OS [jono@networkcommand.com]

----- Begin Forwarded Message -----
Date: 2002.06.29 18:25
Subject: [DMCA-Activists] MS DRMOS Palladium -- The Trojan Horse OS
From: "Jon O."
To: dmca-activists-at-gnu.org
Message-ID: <20020629152517.E14256-at-networkcommand.com>


http://www.anti-dmca.org/DRM-OS.html

----- Forwarded message -----


Reviewing the Microsoft DRMOS (Palladium Patent) it became
apparent Richard Stallman's short story, The Right to Read
is indeed visionary. Below are quotes from the DRMOS patent
and Stallman's Right to Read.

You must read this story:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

Although it has been difficult to clearly articulate to the general
computer user, it should now be clear the DMCA represents not
only risk to fair use and other such issues, but represents
a tool by which new technologies such as the DRMOS can be enforced.
It and other new laws (SSSCA/CBDTPA) are the legal infrustructure
required to make the public use these new DRM technologies and
enforce punishment/fines when they are circumvented.

Content from MS DRMOS Patent quoted under the practice of fair use
for comment and discussion purposes.

The DRMOS Patent can be found here:
http://cryptome.org/ms-drm-os.htm

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The Content Provider (ISP) must maintain a registry of "subscriber
computers". This is the SPA and Central Licensing:

Therefore, the content provider would have to maintain a registry
of each subscriber's DRMOS identity or delegate that function to a
trusted third party. ... Because the basic DRMOS and additional
components always have the same identities when executing on a
specific type of processor, the content provider has only to maintain
a list of the identities for the combinations of the basic DRMOS and
additional components that the provider trusts. Each identity uploaded
is then checked against the list.

------------

Soon, changing your PC's system clock could become illegal:

This alternate embodiment requires a secure time source to be
available on the subscriber computer so the user cannot simply
turn back the system clock on the subscriber computer.

------------

Pay-per-use operating system and components:

As described above, components may be valid only until a specified date
and time, and content may also be licensed only until a certain date and
time.
The monotonic counter described earlier can also be used to ensure that the

computer's clock cannot be set backwards to allow the replacement of a
trusted component by an earlier, now untrusted version.

------------

Stallman is right again, DEBUGGING IS NOW ILLEGAL, enforced under Section
1201 of H.R. 2281 (The DMCA):

DRMOS Patent:
An example of one kind of procedure that must be prohibited is loading a
kernel debugger because it would allow the user to make a copy of the
content loaded in memory. If the user of the subscriber computer attempts
to load a kernel debugger into memory, the DRMOS can either 1) refuse
to load the debugger, or 2) renounce its trusted identity and terminate
the trusted application that was accessing the content before loading
the debugger. In the latter case, the memory must also be purged of the
content before the debugger is loaded.

See The Right to Read, Stallman:
There were ways, of course, to get around the SPA and Central Licensing.
They were themselves illegal. Dan had had a classmate in software,
Frank Martucci, who had obtained an illicit debugging tool, and used
it to skip over the copyright monitor code when reading books. But he had
told too many friends about it, and one of them turned him in to the SPA
for a reward (students deep in debt were easily tempted into betrayal).
In 2047, Frank was in prison, not for pirate reading, but for possessing
a debugger.

Dan would later learn that there was a time when anyone could have
debugging
tools. There were even free debugging tools available on CD or downloadable

over the net. But ordinary users started using them to bypass copyright
monitors, and eventually a judge ruled that this had become their principal

use in actual practice. This meant they were illegal; the debuggers'
developers
were sent to prison.

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You can no longer delete specific data from your hard drive:

DRMOS Patent:
For example, the DRMOS can allow the user to delete an entire content file
but
not a portion of it. Another example is that the DRMOS can allow the user
to
terminate all the threads of execution for a trusted application but not
just
a single thread.

-------------

Again, debuggers are not permitted:

DRMOS Patent:
Finally, a DRMOS must protect the trusted application itself from
tampering.
The DRMOS must not allow other processes to attach to the process executing

the trusted application. When the trusted application is loaded into
memory,
the DRMOS must prevent any other process from reading from, or writing to,
the sections of memory allocated to the trusted application without the
explicit
permission or cooperation of the trusted application.

-------------

Users may not share data:

DRMOS Patent:
Such a facility is used when downloaded content can be accessed only by a
particular user. Moreover, if downloaded content is to be accessed only by
a particular user and by a particular application, the secret to be stored
may be divided into parts, with one part protected by an
application-specific key and the other part protected by a user-specific
key.

Applied to Stallman's Right to Read. Bear in mind these are e-books and
sharing
would be a form of copyright circumvention:

He had to help her--but if he lent her his computer, she might read his
books.
Aside from the fact that you could go to prison for many years for letting
someone else read your books, the very idea shocked him at first. Like
everyone, he had been taught since elementary school that sharing books was

nasty and wrong--something that only pirates would do.

--------------

The "Key Vault" and trusted third party (Central Authority):

DRMOS Patent:
Once the data is encrypted using the storage keys, there must be a way to
recover the keys when the DRMOS identity changes (as when the operating
system
is upgraded to an incompatible version or an unrelated operating system is
installed) or the computer hardware fails. In the exemplary embodiments
described here, the keys are stored off-site in a "key vault" provided by a

trusted third party. In one embodiment, the DRMOS contains the IP addresses

of the key vault providers and the user decides which to use. In another
embodiment, the content provider designates a specific key vault and the
DRMOS
enforces the designation. In either embodiment, when the user requests the
restoration of the storage keys, the key vault provider must perform a
certain
amount of validation before performing the download.

-------------

Your computer cannot be used to copy content:

For example, one property might be that the application cannot be used to
copy content. Another example of a property is one that specifies that the
application can be used to copy content, but only in analog form at 480P
resolution. Yet another example of a property is one that specifies that
the application can be used to copy content, but only if explicitly allowed
by an accompanying license.

-------------

Looks like the MPAA has been engaged in some Retail Politics:

In one embodiment, the access predicate takes the form of a required
properties
access control list (ACL) as shown in FIG. 10. The required properties ACL
1000
contains a basic trust level field 1001, which specifies the minimum rights

management functions that must be provided by any application wishing to
process
the content. These minimum functions can be established by a trade
association,
such as the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America), or by the DRMOS
vendor.

-------------

More Pay-per-view OS functions:

As described briefly above, the license data structure 1100 can limit the
number
of times the content can be accessed (usage counter 1101), determine what
use
can be made of the content (derivation rights 1103), such as extracting
still
shots from a video, or building an endless loop recording from an audio
file,
or a time-based expiration counter 1105.

-------------

Pay-per-listen feature:

The sublicense rights 1107 can impose more restrictive rights on
re-distributed
content than those specified in a license for content downloaded directly
from
the original content provider. For example, the license 1100 on a song
purchased
directly from the music publisher can permit a song to be freely re-played
while
the sublicense rights 1107 require a limit on the number of times the same
song
can be re-played when redistributed.

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  85. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  86. 2002-07-26 Jeanne Edna Thelwell <jeanne.thelwell-at-verizon.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  87. 2002-07-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  88. 2002-07-26 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  89. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  90. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  91. 2002-07-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  92. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  93. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  94. 2002-07-26 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Subject: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  95. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  96. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  97. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  98. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  99. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  100. 2002-07-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  101. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  102. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  103. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  104. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  105. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  106. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Could Hollywood hack your PC?
  107. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  108. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  109. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  110. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Installing new application, must remove older version?
  111. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  112. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  113. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  114. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] fund raising
  115. 2002-07-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] fund raising
  116. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  117. 2002-07-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  118. 2002-07-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  119. 2002-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  120. 2002-07-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  121. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  122. 2002-07-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  123. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  124. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lokks like we opened a pandora's box
  125. 2002-07-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  126. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Feared Copyright Pirates Ask for Letters of Marque and Reprisal Against All United States Citizens
  127. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes
  128. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes
  129. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] cloning
  130. 2002-07-25 Dave Cepeda <DCepeda-at-calleci.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes
  131. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] fall classes
  132. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  133. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fall classes
  134. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fall classes
  135. 2002-07-25 Dave Cepeda <DCepeda-at-calleci.com> Subject: [hangout] cloning
  136. 2002-07-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  137. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  138. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  139. 2002-07-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylscottw-at-yahoo.com: [wwwac] A Fair Use Law]
  140. 2002-07-24 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Thursday 25 July 2002 UNIGROUP: Tamar Newberger on Building a Virtual Workplace: Web-enabling Legacy Applications and Providing Secure, Remote Access
  141. 2002-07-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FYI: NBC Nightly News (now)
  142. 2002-07-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] FYI: NBC Nightly News (now)
  143. 2002-07-28 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  144. 2002-07-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  145. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  146. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  147. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Get the word out
  148. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Get the word out
  149. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jj-at-xient.com: [wwwac] The Internet Radio Fairness Act]
  150. 2002-07-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Lexar Media and Linux
  151. 2002-07-31 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: Moving from Asha
  152. 2002-07-31 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update
  153. 2002-07-31 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update
  154. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] All geeks must be Gay
  155. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Moving stuff
  156. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS for August/Asha
  157. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS for August/Asha
  158. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving out of Asha
  159. 2002-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  160. 2002-07-31 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  161. 2002-07-31 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  162. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  163. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  164. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] [wynkoop-at-wynn.com: S2395]
  165. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  166. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  167. 2002-07-30 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  168. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  169. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  170. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Press
  171. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Press
  172. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mjr40-at-ix.netcom.com: [nylug-talk] Sample letter for Bill S.2395]
  173. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mjr40-at-ix.netcom.com: [nylug-talk] Sample letter for Bill S.2395]
  174. 2002-07-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  175. 2002-07-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  176. 2002-07-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Senator Contact Info
  177. 2002-07-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Senator Contact Info
  178. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  179. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  180. 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] NY Senators contact Info
  181. 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] NY Senators contact Info
  182. 2002-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  183. 2002-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Recent Legistlative Activity on DRM
  184. 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  185. 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bill to end Fair Use
  186. 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] New Biden amendment to make bypassing DRM a felony
  187. 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn landmarks
  188. 2002-07-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  189. 2002-07-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  190. 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Update on LaGuardia demo
  191. 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Re: [hangout] Update on LaGuardia demo
  192. 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Phone Number of Department of Commerce
  193. 2002-07-16 Vin <a1enviro-at-cloud9.net> Subject: [hangout] Re: [fairuse] Phone Number of Department of Commerce
  194. 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! Linux network engineer??
  195. 2002-07-01 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! Linux network engineer??
  196. 2002-07-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac]! real Linux newbie question

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