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SUBJECT Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [DMCA-Activists] MS DRMOS Palladium -- The Trojan Horse OS [jono@networkcommand.com]
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----- Begin Forwarded Message -----
Date: 2002.06.29 18:25
Subject: [DMCA-Activists] MS DRMOS Palladium -- The Trojan Horse OS
From: "Jon O."
To: dmca-activists-at-gnu.org
Message-ID: <20020629152517.E14256-at-networkcommand.com>


http://www.anti-dmca.org/DRM-OS.html

----- Forwarded message -----


Reviewing the Microsoft DRMOS (Palladium Patent) it became
apparent Richard Stallman's short story, The Right to Read
is indeed visionary. Below are quotes from the DRMOS patent
and Stallman's Right to Read.

You must read this story:
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

Although it has been difficult to clearly articulate to the general
computer user, it should now be clear the DMCA represents not
only risk to fair use and other such issues, but represents
a tool by which new technologies such as the DRMOS can be enforced.
It and other new laws (SSSCA/CBDTPA) are the legal infrustructure
required to make the public use these new DRM technologies and
enforce punishment/fines when they are circumvented.

Content from MS DRMOS Patent quoted under the practice of fair use
for comment and discussion purposes.

The DRMOS Patent can be found here:
http://cryptome.org/ms-drm-os.htm

-------------

The Content Provider (ISP) must maintain a registry of "subscriber
computers". This is the SPA and Central Licensing:

Therefore, the content provider would have to maintain a registry
of each subscriber's DRMOS identity or delegate that function to a
trusted third party. ... Because the basic DRMOS and additional
components always have the same identities when executing on a
specific type of processor, the content provider has only to maintain
a list of the identities for the combinations of the basic DRMOS and
additional components that the provider trusts. Each identity uploaded
is then checked against the list.

------------

Soon, changing your PC's system clock could become illegal:

This alternate embodiment requires a secure time source to be
available on the subscriber computer so the user cannot simply
turn back the system clock on the subscriber computer.

------------

Pay-per-use operating system and components:

As described above, components may be valid only until a specified date
and time, and content may also be licensed only until a certain date and
time.
The monotonic counter described earlier can also be used to ensure that the

computer's clock cannot be set backwards to allow the replacement of a
trusted component by an earlier, now untrusted version.

------------

Stallman is right again, DEBUGGING IS NOW ILLEGAL, enforced under Section
1201 of H.R. 2281 (The DMCA):

DRMOS Patent:
An example of one kind of procedure that must be prohibited is loading a
kernel debugger because it would allow the user to make a copy of the
content loaded in memory. If the user of the subscriber computer attempts
to load a kernel debugger into memory, the DRMOS can either 1) refuse
to load the debugger, or 2) renounce its trusted identity and terminate
the trusted application that was accessing the content before loading
the debugger. In the latter case, the memory must also be purged of the
content before the debugger is loaded.

See The Right to Read, Stallman:
There were ways, of course, to get around the SPA and Central Licensing.
They were themselves illegal. Dan had had a classmate in software,
Frank Martucci, who had obtained an illicit debugging tool, and used
it to skip over the copyright monitor code when reading books. But he had
told too many friends about it, and one of them turned him in to the SPA
for a reward (students deep in debt were easily tempted into betrayal).
In 2047, Frank was in prison, not for pirate reading, but for possessing
a debugger.

Dan would later learn that there was a time when anyone could have
debugging
tools. There were even free debugging tools available on CD or downloadable

over the net. But ordinary users started using them to bypass copyright
monitors, and eventually a judge ruled that this had become their principal

use in actual practice. This meant they were illegal; the debuggers'
developers
were sent to prison.

-------------

You can no longer delete specific data from your hard drive:

DRMOS Patent:
For example, the DRMOS can allow the user to delete an entire content file
but
not a portion of it. Another example is that the DRMOS can allow the user
to
terminate all the threads of execution for a trusted application but not
just
a single thread.

-------------

Again, debuggers are not permitted:

DRMOS Patent:
Finally, a DRMOS must protect the trusted application itself from
tampering.
The DRMOS must not allow other processes to attach to the process executing

the trusted application. When the trusted application is loaded into
memory,
the DRMOS must prevent any other process from reading from, or writing to,
the sections of memory allocated to the trusted application without the
explicit
permission or cooperation of the trusted application.

-------------

Users may not share data:

DRMOS Patent:
Such a facility is used when downloaded content can be accessed only by a
particular user. Moreover, if downloaded content is to be accessed only by
a particular user and by a particular application, the secret to be stored
may be divided into parts, with one part protected by an
application-specific key and the other part protected by a user-specific
key.

Applied to Stallman's Right to Read. Bear in mind these are e-books and
sharing
would be a form of copyright circumvention:

He had to help her--but if he lent her his computer, she might read his
books.
Aside from the fact that you could go to prison for many years for letting
someone else read your books, the very idea shocked him at first. Like
everyone, he had been taught since elementary school that sharing books was

nasty and wrong--something that only pirates would do.

--------------

The "Key Vault" and trusted third party (Central Authority):

DRMOS Patent:
Once the data is encrypted using the storage keys, there must be a way to
recover the keys when the DRMOS identity changes (as when the operating
system
is upgraded to an incompatible version or an unrelated operating system is
installed) or the computer hardware fails. In the exemplary embodiments
described here, the keys are stored off-site in a "key vault" provided by a

trusted third party. In one embodiment, the DRMOS contains the IP addresses

of the key vault providers and the user decides which to use. In another
embodiment, the content provider designates a specific key vault and the
DRMOS
enforces the designation. In either embodiment, when the user requests the
restoration of the storage keys, the key vault provider must perform a
certain
amount of validation before performing the download.

-------------

Your computer cannot be used to copy content:

For example, one property might be that the application cannot be used to
copy content. Another example of a property is one that specifies that the
application can be used to copy content, but only in analog form at 480P
resolution. Yet another example of a property is one that specifies that
the application can be used to copy content, but only if explicitly allowed
by an accompanying license.

-------------

Looks like the MPAA has been engaged in some Retail Politics:

In one embodiment, the access predicate takes the form of a required
properties
access control list (ACL) as shown in FIG. 10. The required properties ACL
1000
contains a basic trust level field 1001, which specifies the minimum rights

management functions that must be provided by any application wishing to
process
the content. These minimum functions can be established by a trade
association,
such as the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America), or by the DRMOS
vendor.

-------------

More Pay-per-view OS functions:

As described briefly above, the license data structure 1100 can limit the
number
of times the content can be accessed (usage counter 1101), determine what
use
can be made of the content (derivation rights 1103), such as extracting
still
shots from a video, or building an endless loop recording from an audio
file,
or a time-based expiration counter 1105.

-------------

Pay-per-listen feature:

The sublicense rights 1107 can impose more restrictive rights on
re-distributed
content than those specified in a license for content downloaded directly
from
the original content provider. For example, the license 1100 on a song
purchased
directly from the music publisher can permit a song to be freely re-played
while
the sublicense rights 1107 require a limit on the number of times the same
song
can be re-played when redistributed.

-------------





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  83. 2002-07-19 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-realmeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Re: Closing Down . . .
  84. 2002-07-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Adding to the newdmcanightmare 15 to 1 page
  85. 2002-07-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Server Access
  86. 2002-07-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Movies = Legal Tender?
  87. 2002-07-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS Report on Washington action
  88. 2002-07-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYTIMES - We are wired to Co-orperate
  89. 2002-07-23 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] [ruben-at-rm-cpa.com: Re: More Press]
  90. 2002-07-24 From: <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Thursday 25 July 2002 UNIGROUP: Tamar Newberger on Building a Virtual Workplace: Web-enabling Legacy Applications and Providing Secure, Remote Access
  91. 2002-07-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [nylscottw-at-yahoo.com: [wwwac] A Fair Use Law]
  92. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] cloning
  93. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes
  94. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes
  95. 2002-07-25 Dave Cepeda <DCepeda-at-calleci.com> RE: [hangout] fall classes
  96. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] fall classes
  97. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] fund raising
  98. 2002-07-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] fund raising
  99. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  100. 2002-07-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  101. 2002-07-25 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  102. 2002-07-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  103. 2002-07-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  104. 2002-07-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  105. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  106. 2002-07-25 From: <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  107. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  108. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  109. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  110. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  111. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  112. 2002-07-25 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  113. 2002-07-25 Dave Cepeda <DCepeda-at-calleci.com> Subject: [hangout] cloning
  114. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fall classes
  115. 2002-07-25 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] fall classes
  116. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  117. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] General Membership and Board Meeting
  118. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Lokks like we opened a pandora's box
  119. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  120. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  121. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [learn] Installing new application, must remove older version?
  122. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] Feared Copyright Pirates Ask for Letters of Marque and Reprisal Against All United States Citizens
  123. 2002-07-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  124. 2002-07-26 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> RE: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  125. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  126. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  127. 2002-07-26 Jeanne Edna Thelwell <jeanne.thelwell-at-verizon.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  128. 2002-07-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  129. 2002-07-26 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  130. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  131. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  132. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  133. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  134. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  135. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  136. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  137. 2002-07-26 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  138. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  139. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  140. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  141. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use by Brooklyn Bars
  142. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fair Use by Brooklyn Bars
  143. 2002-07-26 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Subject: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  144. 2002-07-26 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  145. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Could Hollywood hack your PC?
  146. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  147. 2002-07-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] linux and macs...
  148. 2002-07-27 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Re: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  149. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  150. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  151. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Get the word out
  152. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Get the word out
  153. 2002-07-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [jj-at-xient.com: [wwwac] The Internet Radio Fairness Act]
  154. 2002-07-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] CUNY Queens Demo
  155. 2002-07-28 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] FYI: NBC Nightly News (now)
  156. 2002-07-28 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] Microsoft threatens to end Free Software.
  157. 2002-07-28 wynkoop-at-wynn.com Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  158. 2002-07-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] FYI: NBC Nightly News (now)
  159. 2002-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  160. 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] Re: Congressman Towns
  161. 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Bill to end Fair Use
  162. 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn landmarks
  163. 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] NY Senators contact Info
  164. 2002-07-29 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] NY Senators contact Info
  165. 2002-07-29 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [wwwac] New Biden amendment to make bypassing DRM a felony
  166. 2002-07-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Recent Legistlative Activity on DRM
  167. 2002-07-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  168. 2002-07-30 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> RE: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  169. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  170. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  171. 2002-07-30 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  172. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  173. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] More Press
  174. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  175. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Board Meeting Review
  176. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Press
  177. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] More Press
  178. 2002-07-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Senator Contact Info
  179. 2002-07-30 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Senator Contact Info
  180. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mjr40-at-ix.netcom.com: [nylug-talk] Sample letter for Bill S.2395]
  181. 2002-07-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] [mjr40-at-ix.netcom.com: [nylug-talk] Sample letter for Bill S.2395]
  182. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Moving stuff
  183. 2002-07-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  184. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] All geeks must be Gay
  185. 2002-07-31 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update
  186. 2002-07-31 From: "Dimitar Georgievski" <dimitarg-at-websyn.com> Subject: [hangout] LaGuardia demo update
  187. 2002-07-31 Ray Connolly <RConnolly-at-natsource.com> Subject: [hangout] Lexar Media and Linux
  188. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moving out of Asha
  189. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS for August/Asha
  190. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYLXS for August/Asha
  191. 2002-07-31 Joe Grastara <jfg205-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Re: Moving from Asha
  192. 2002-07-31 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  193. 2002-07-31 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  194. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  195. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: They will kill things like this
  196. 2002-07-31 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] [wynkoop-at-wynn.com: S2395]

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