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As a representitive of NYLXS in NYC which is a Free Software advocacy group, which includes NY Fairuse, I have worked very hard over the last few days in trying to figure the way to position Free Software in the government, not in theory, but in fact. My invovlement in these efforts currently starts with an email by David Sugar about his efforts to go too Washington DC with Tony Stanco, in efforts to educate High Level governmet officials in the potential of Free Software. I was hoping that the meeting at LWE between Tony, David, and myself, would clarify the road from where we are now, which is pratically speaking nowhere, to a position where Free Software Consultants and businesses can place large numbers of desktops and services into government facilities. Frankly, my conversations on this front have been only partly satifying, and I'm not sure why. Tony tells me that the types of contacts he has can not be used to actually fill Government contracts or to discover potential Government needs which we can lobby for contract proposals for open bidding. Further, the Washington DC Linux User Group seems to be having such organizational problems, that they are having trouble even finding space too meet. Since NYLXS often holds meetings in a Bar in lower Manhattan, I find this bizarre. Further, Tony raises the issue that he doesn't feel that NYLXS, or any other group in the Linux/Free Software groups is prepared to to fill a 100 million dollar installation if we needed to. I found this assumption completely numbing. On the other hand, David and Tony have mentioned that we can start with the GSA, and learn to take bids etc, from our membership. Thios would be a good start, and I want to ask that ANYONE familiar with this process come to NY and train us in this matter, so that we can help in the birthing process for Free Software enterprises trying to do business with the Federal Government. Also, we have had great success in training and advocacy here in NYC using the NYLXS model. And we want to help the DC area get up to speed. It's time for Free Software to takes it's place in Government and Business by using the resources of our community in providing the kind of agency services commonly used in Businesses. This is a different model than a traditional business, but the entire Free Software model of development is none such different. We need to start being serious about providing corperate training, government liason services, education and sophisticated and agressive marketing. My group is ANXIOUS to fill these needs so that we can all reap the rewards. So while it's nice that Tony and David can talk the Department of the Treasury, about the value of Free Software, they need REAL working complete solutions to their computing problems, and we are ready to put those solutions together and deliver them in mass. My gut is telling me that those involved with these government contacts are holding back, and not allowing us to better place software into government. I almost get the feeling this is some sort of turf thing going on. I have too many hunger FS sysadmins and programmers up here to allow this to continue. If this is indeed the case, we need to cultivate more people down there. And we need to do so now. Lead, Follow, or get out of the way... We request a meeting in NYC in the next week, if possible, to discuss this matter, and to arrainge training for cultivating government contracts and contacts. Ruben -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/hooked.mp3 - Spring is coming.... http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-5752 ____________________________ New Yorker Linux Users Scene Fair Use - because it's either fair use or useless.... 2002-02-01 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> RE: [hangout] Check this out 2002-02-01 Daniel Stringfield <dstringfield-at-arsenaldigital.com> RE: [hangout] Check this out 2002-02-01 From: <joeg-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Check this out 2002-02-01 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Subject: [hangout] using GNOME with Window Maker 2002-02-02 Peter Lehrer <pl-at-eskimo.com> Re: [hangout] using GNOME with Window Maker 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fallout of LWE - Things we need to follow up on 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fallout of LWE - Things we need to follow up on 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software in Government 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Free Software in Government 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] What is a open source alternative to MS. Access [dfassoc-at-bway.net] 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: [wwwac] What is a open source alternative to MS. Access [dfassoc-at-bway.net] 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Geek moment - Star Wars exhibit coming to Brooklyn [biteme-at-spamcop.net] 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [wwwac] Geek moment - Star Wars exhibit coming to Brooklyn [biteme-at-spamcop.net] 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux One Class 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux One Class 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL 2002-02-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Attention Chairmen 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: Moglin Discussion at LWE - Future of the GPL 2002-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] What is a open source alternative to MS. Access [dfassoc-at-bway.net] 2002-02-04 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Re: [hangout] mysql help 2002-02-04 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] LinuxWorld Expo 2002-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] FAIRUSE MEETING TONITE 2002-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Learning Linux [lakshmi_nj-at-yahoo.com] 2002-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Learning Linux [lakshmi_nj-at-yahoo.com] 2002-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] List of Users who need machines 2002-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] List of Users who need machines 2002-02-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Machines for Linux 1 Class 2002-02-05 Michael Richardson <MRICHARDSON-at-abc.state.ny.us> Subject: [hangout] Machines for Linux 1 Class 2002-02-05 Joe Villari <joev_nylxs-at-pipeline.com> Subject: [hangout] mysql success 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] connecting a palm pilot to a desktop 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Reality Check for me, please [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] 2002-02-06 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Reality Check for me, please 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Cell Phone 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Cell Phone 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Reality Check for me, please [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: Reality Check for me, please [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com] 2002-02-06 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class paid student list 2002-02-06 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Subject: [hangout] Linux 1 Class paid student list 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Marcus Conti - Please check in 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Marcus Conti - Please check in 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Committee 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Membership Committee 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] OK - It's official 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] OK - It's official 2002-02-06 David Sugar <dyfet-at-ostel.com> Subject: [hangout] Re: [nylxs-announce] ANNOUNCEMENT - Washignton DC Trip 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The excessive NY Linux Group 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] The excessive NY Linux Group 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement 2002-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] We're going to Washington. Meeting announcement 2002-02-07 Billy <billy-at-dadadada.net> Re: [hangout] connecting a palm pilot to a desktop 2002-02-07 David Katz <omnimath-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] [manuel-at-stjohnsprepschool.org: [nylug-talk] Please 2002-02-07 Jon Bober <bober-at-acm.cs.nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] apt-get error 2002-02-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Open Source in Gov't 2002-02-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 Class Location 2002-02-07 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Perl 1 Class Location 2002-02-09 From: "Joseph A. Maffia" <jam-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Fwd: new member [perun242-at-earthlink.net] 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: Fw: [hangout] Re: I want to help with Brooklyn Borough Hall "wiring" 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-rm-cpa.com> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center 2002-02-15 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Workers Career Center 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <kevin-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Borough Hall 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <kevin-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Brooklyn Borough Hall 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Distance Learning 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Distance Learning 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Infinity Conference Room [DBrightman-at-infinitygroup.com] 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Infinity Conference Room [DBrightman-at-infinitygroup.com] 2002-02-15 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Governments Push Open-Source Software 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Installfest at Joes 2002-02-15 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [hangout] Is this map correct? (Installfest) 2002-02-15 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Linux: Save Government Million$ 2002-02-15 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Linux: Save Government Million$ 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Non-Profit Computing 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Non-Profit Computing 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Selling the Linux Concept 2002-02-15 Kevin Milani <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Selling the Linux Concept 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unions and Free Software 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Unions and Free Software 2002-02-15 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington D.C. trip 2002-02-15 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington D.C. trip 2002-02-15 Seth Johnson <seth.johnson-at-RealMeasures.dyndns.org> Subject: [hangout] Why Should Governments use MS Products? 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Workers Career Center 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Workers Career Center 2002-02-15 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Workers Career Center 2002-02-17 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Washington DC 2002-02-17 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [hangout] Washington DC 2002-02-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [hangout] Brooklyn Borough Hall Groupware/Collaboration 2002-02-21 Jay Sulzberger <jays-at-panix.com> Subject: [hangout] Friday 22 February 2002: J. T. S. Moore's Documentary about GNU/Linux 2002-02-21 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY State funds for training 2002-02-21 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Training Provider Information 2002-02-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Real Estate 2002-02-22 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] flyers 2002-02-22 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NYACC, NYU Space 2002-02-23 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Re: [hangout] upcoming classes 2002-02-24 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Training Provider Information 2002-02-24 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Foreign Countries Switching 2002-02-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Foreign Countries Switching 2002-02-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Foreign Countries Switching 2002-02-25 Paul =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodr=EDguez?= <sangrelinux-at-yahoo.com> Re: [hangout] upcoming classes 2002-02-25 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> Subject: [hangout] Fw: [nylug-talk] School Project help 2002-02-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: [suse-security-announce] SuSE Security Announcement: cups (SuSE-SA:2002:005) [thomas-at-suse.de] 2002-02-25 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] NY Times Electronic aVersion 2002-02-26 Jonathan Bober <jwb235-at-nyu.edu> FAQ (was Re: [hangout] CAN SOMEONE REPLY Fwd: Linux Classes/NYLXS membership [RConnolly-at-natsource.com]) 2002-02-26 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: [nylug-talk] School Project help 2002-02-26 From: <mconti-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Fw: [nylug-talk] School Project help 2002-02-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Re: NYACC (fwd) 2002-02-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] When does Linux 1 end? 2002-02-26 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] When does Linux 1 end? 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Borough Hall Proposal 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Borough Hall Proposal 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Entity-Relationship Modeling Software 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Entity-Relationship Modeling Software 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] Entity-Relationship Modeling Software 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] NYACC 2002-02-27 David Katz <omnimath-at-panix.com> Re: [hangout] NYACC 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [hangout] SNA Borough Hall Proposal 2002-02-27 alex-at-pilosoft.com Re: [hangout] SNA Borough Hall Proposal 2002-02-27 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> RE: [hangout] teach a 9 year old to program... 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Borough Hall Proposal 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Borough Hall Proposal 2002-02-27 From: "News" <news-at-impact-it.net> Subject: [hangout] Entity-Relationship Modeling Software 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Re: teach a 9 year old to program... [edw-at-q5comm.com] 2002-02-27 Ruben I Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [hangout] Hearing on this issue? NYLXS are Do'ers and the first step of Doing is Joining! Join NYLXS and make a difference in your community today!