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DATE 2008-10-07
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cost of Copyright Violation as reported is a lie?
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From: Ruben Safir
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Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cost of Copyright Violation as reported is a lie?
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Commerce Dept Cites Bogus Stats, Chamber Of Commerce Uses Them To Ask
Bush To Accept Copyright Czar
from the bogus-stats-are-fun dept

We've seen it time and time again, where totally bogus stats about the
"costs" of "piracy" are floated (usually by lobbyists) and then suddenly
accepted as fact. It's even worse when it's government officials citing
the stats as fact. Yet, we've got that happening again. In urging
President Bush to sign into law the ProIP bill, which would give him a
copyright czar (something the Justice Department had said it it doesn't
want), the US Chamber of Commerce is claiming that 750,000 American jobs
have been lost to piracy. Yet, it doesn't cite where that number comes
from.

Wired's David Kravets tries to track down the source but finds no one
can quite figure it out. Instead, they each point to different gov't
organizations which have all quoted the number -- often citing each
other, but no one pointing out where it actually came from. Chances are,
of course, that the stat comes from a variety of reports, like the
easily debunked piracy impact report from the BSA, put together by IDG.
That lists out a number for job losses in the software industry that's
simply untrue, and is based on only the negative impact of "piracy"
impacting jobs, leaving out any positive impact (i.e., if a company used
only pirated software, it could hire more people). That's not to defend
piracy, but to note that the job loss claim is completely made up -- and
now repeated by a variety of different government officials based on...
nothing.

--
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http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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  1. 2008-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new hacking attempts
  2. 2008-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Radio Show
  3. 2008-10-01 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new hacking attempts
  4. 2008-10-01 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new hacking attempts
  5. 2008-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C Programming Workship: Make
  6. 2008-10-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Autoconf
  7. 2008-10-01 Ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] autoconf
  8. 2008-10-02 email <ray-pub-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] wget & mirrors
  9. 2008-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Is this not the funniest documentation you ever read?
  10. 2008-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] wget & mirrors
  11. 2008-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] autoconf and gtkmm
  12. 2008-10-02 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Radio Show
  13. 2008-10-02 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new hacking attempts
  14. 2008-10-02 Ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: autoconf
  15. 2008-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Radio Show
  16. 2008-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: autoconf
  17. 2008-10-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [danielko.listas-at-gmail.com: Re: gtkmm and autoconf]
  18. 2008-10-03 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Radio Show
  19. 2008-10-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Radio Show
  20. 2008-10-04 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Radio Show
  21. 2008-10-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Hackers Beware
  22. 2008-10-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Help make history
  23. 2008-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free Markets and Moral Development
  24. 2008-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The World will be changed as you know it
  25. 2008-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Real 3d Screens are coming
  26. 2008-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Cost of Copyright Violation as reported is a lie?
  27. 2008-10-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [linux-elitists] One more thing on DRM...
  28. 2008-10-07 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Help make history
  29. 2008-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Embperl Abandoned: Next Steps?
  30. 2008-10-08 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] G C T
  31. 2008-10-08 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Embperl Abandoned: Next Steps?
  32. 2008-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Embperl Abandoned: Next Steps?
  33. 2008-10-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Embperl Abandoned: Next Steps?
  34. 2008-10-08 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Embperl Abandoned: Next Steps?
  35. 2008-10-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Toggle Button Bug
  36. 2008-10-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Problems with Apache and SessionX hanging
  37. 2008-10-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Kevin Marks Blog
  38. 2008-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Making a Boot Flash Drive
  39. 2008-10-12 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Making a Boot Flash Drive
  40. 2008-10-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Making a Boot Flash Drive
  41. 2008-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Social Gathering
  42. 2008-10-13 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Social Gathering
  43. 2008-10-13 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Making a Boot Flash Drive
  44. 2008-10-13 Contrarian <adrba-at-nyct.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Social Gathering
  45. 2008-10-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Social Gathering
  46. 2008-10-14 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Social Gathering
  47. 2008-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] openSuSE 11 on a EEEPC 701
  48. 2008-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [announce-at-isoc-ny.org: [isoc-ny] NYC COUNCIL TECH COMMITTEE .NYC HEARING FRIDAY 10am]
  49. 2008-10-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Social Gathering
  50. 2008-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Social Gathering
  51. 2008-10-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest, Social Gathering Sunday un the Succot
  52. 2008-10-17 Nick Pytel <npytel-at-rattech.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest, Social Gathering Sunday un the
  53. 2008-10-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest, Social Gathering Sunday un the Succot
  54. 2008-10-17 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest/Social Gathering
  55. 2008-10-17 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest, Social Gathering Sunday un the Succot
  56. 2008-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Getting Rid of Mail servers on my Laptop
  57. 2008-10-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [stan-at-etrtechcenter.com: Western Nassau County Tech Lead Lamp Developer]
  58. 2008-10-22 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Getting Rid of Mail servers on my Laptop
  59. 2008-10-22 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Getting Rid of Mail servers on my Laptop
  60. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  61. 2008-10-23 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and
  62. 2008-10-23 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  63. 2008-10-23 From: "mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] RE: Mandriva OEM Program
  64. 2008-10-23 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  65. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  66. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  67. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  68. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  69. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [anton.aylward-at-rogers.com: Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop]
  70. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  71. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  72. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  73. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop]
  74. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop]
  75. 2008-10-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop]
  76. 2008-10-24 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [opensuse] Getting
  77. 2008-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  78. 2008-10-24 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim
  79. 2008-10-24 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  80. 2008-10-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [opensuse] Getting Rid of postfix and exim on my laptop
  81. 2008-10-24 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  82. 2008-10-24 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  83. 2008-10-24 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  84. 2008-10-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ice Age NYC
  85. 2008-10-25 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  86. 2008-10-25 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  87. 2008-10-25 Tameek <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  88. 2008-10-26 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  89. 2008-10-26 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  90. 2008-10-26 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  91. 2008-10-26 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  92. 2008-10-26 From: "Joshua Zeidner" <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  93. 2008-10-26 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  94. 2008-10-26 From: "Joshua Zeidner" <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  95. 2008-10-26 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  96. 2008-10-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [jtg-at-intarcorp.com: Linux Education - New York Linux Scene]
  97. 2008-10-26 From: "Joshua Zeidner" <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] GNU/Android Linux (Google) phones
  98. 2008-10-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Internet Hall of Fame event
  99. 2008-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [linux-elitists] Fwd: Need a Linux device driver.]
  100. 2008-10-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google, Books, Fairuse and Copyrights
  101. 2008-10-29 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Moving MySQL
  102. 2008-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new members
  103. 2008-10-31 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new members
  104. 2008-10-31 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new members
  105. 2008-10-31 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: City Council Calendar - Week of November 2nd]

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