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DATE 2016-12-14
FROM Ruben Safir
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Subject: Re: [dinosaur] Ceratopsid (Centrosaurinae: Nasutoceratopsini)
from Oldman Formation of Alberta (free pdf)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 06:47:33 +0000
From: Mickey Mortimer
Reply-To: Mickey Mortimer
To: DML

I was going to comment on this myself, but of course in the well-worn
opposite direction. I think the current state of ceratopsid
nomenclature is unrealistically oversplit, where a few differences or
million years are considered enough to doubt conspecificity (ditto for
Tschopp's Morrison diplodocids). Compare this to theropods, where there
are tons of differences between e.g. Tyrannosaurus rex specimens, which
are known from the lower and upper parts of the Hell Creek Formation, as
well as the Scollard, Denver, Lance, Frenchman, etc. Formations all over
the continent. I would call Ryan et al.'s Nasutoceratopsini Avaceratops.


Notably, Ryan et al. are confusingly contradictory in their discussion
of Avaceratops. They first state the holotype specimen "ANSP 15800 has
three unambiguous autapomorphies: Ch 36 (jugal infratemporal process,
1>0; absent), Ch 49 (parietal, sharp median crest, 1>0; absent), and Ch
53 (marginal dermal ossifications on parietal and squamosal, 1>0;
absent)", but then they say "it is currently difficult to diagnose
Avaceratops because it appears to lack autapomorphies or any unique
combination of characters." Their conclusion is "As a result,
Avaceratops is represented only by the type specimen

(ANSP 15800). This immature individual exhibits no undisputed
apomorphies, rendering a diagnosis of the taxon problematic.
Nevertheless, the specimen cannot be attributed to any other known
centrosaurine, and so the genus cannot be synonymized or declared a
nomen dubium."

Which is it? If it has no autapomorphies or character combinations
considered taxonomically valid, then it _could_ be synonymized with
Nasutoceratops or alternatively declared a nomen dubium if it also
couldn't be distinguished from other diagnostic nasutoceratopsin genera
(e.g. maybe the Malta taxon once it's named). But if it can't be
attributed to any other known taxon, then that must be based evidence
which would thus form the diagnosis.

Finally, why do you continue the myth that ICZN-covered taxa like
Ceratopsidae are affected by the eponymous genus' diagnosability?
Haven't I put enough stakes into Wilson and Upchurch's baseless
assertion this is the case?

Mickey Mortimer


________________________________
From: dinosaur-l-request-at-usc.edu on behalf
of Tim Williams
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 9:40 PM
To: dinosaur-l-at-usc.edu
Subject: Re: [dinosaur] Ceratopsid (Centrosaurinae: Nasutoceratopsini)
from Oldman Formation of Alberta (free pdf)

In light of the problems surrounding the genus _Ceratops_ (see below;
but short version - it's toast), this might be a good opportunity to
abandon the 'family' Ceratopsidae. Instead, raise Centrosaurinae and
Chasmosaurinae to 'family' level (Centrosauridae, Chasmosauridae), so
the new 'tribes' Centrosaurini and Nasutoceraratopsini (coined by Ryan
et al. [2016]) would each become 'subfamilies': Centrosaurinae and
Nasutoceratopsinae. Similarly, Triceratopsini would be bumped up to
Triceratopsinae within Chasmosauridae. I'm not a huge fan of these
Linnaean constructs (and the obtruse ICZN rules that govern them), but
since we seem to be stuck with them, it's clear that _Ceratops_ should
not be giving its name to any coordinated family-level taxon.

_Ceratops_ (type species _C. montanus_) is known only a pair of
postorbital horn cores and a partial occiput. The horn cores are
quite long and dorsolaterally projecting. _Kosmoceratops_ and
_Albertaceratops_ specimens also have long and dorsolaterally
projecting postorbital horncores (Mallon et al., 2016).
_Albertaceratops_ is a centrosaurine, whereas _Kosmoceratops_ is a
chasmosaurine; so the horns of _Ceratops_ can't even be used to sort
it into either Centrosaurinae or Chasmosaurinae. So _Ceratops_ is
useless as a specifier.

_Ceratops_ is clearly a nomen dubium. The only way to salvage the
name _Ceratops_ is designate a neotype that is diagnostic. This is
highly unlikely ever to happen. The best chance was the Judith River
Formation chasmosaurine specimen CMN 57081. From Mallon et al.
(2016): "It is possible - even likely, given their close stratigraphic
and geological association - that '_Ceratops_' and CMN 57081 are the
same species, but without conclusive evidence for such, it is
preferable to erect a new species for CMN 57081." So CMN 57081 became
_Spiclypeus_, rather than being referred to _Ceratops_, or nominating
it as the neotype of _Ceratops_. This was undoubtedly the best
decision. The nasutoceratopsin skull MOR 692 (tentatively regarded as
an adult _Avaceratops_ by Penkalski and Dodson [1999], but removed
from _Avaceratops_ by Ryan et al. [2016]) comes from the Coal Ridge
Member of the Judith River Formation, like _Spiclyepus_; but MOR 692
is an even weaker choice than CMN 57081 to become a _Ceratops_
neotype.

The only reason to nominate a neotype for _Ceratops_ at all would be
for book-keeping/nomenclatural reasons: _Ceratops_ is the name-giver
for Ceratopsidae and coordinated taxa like 'superfamily'
Ceratopsoidea. (Ceratopsia, Ceratopsomorpha etc are fine, because
they are exempt from ICZN rules.) But promoting Centrosaurinae and
Chasmosaurinae to families - or simply changing the name of
Ceratopsidae to Centrosauridae - means that _Ceratops_ can be
forgotten forever.


On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 4:56 AM, Ben Creisler wrote:
> The official news release with illustrations:
>
>
> Researchers name two new horned dinosaur tribes
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cmnh.org_announcements_ceratopsian-2Dtribes&d=DgIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=IRbuPQptQNlXoZq8JovgUI5ojPaPTN8TdtaKzKaQBeA&s=dkv3SQEX9GiwGDvDZ2Y5V6unoWajl4NvLyWRRmuybuQ&e=
>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__phys.org_news_2016-2D12-2Dscientists-2Dredefine-2Dhorned-2Ddinosaur-2Drelationships.html&d=DgIFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=Ry_mO4IFaUmGof_Yl9MyZgecRCKHn5g4z1CYJgFW9SI&m=IRbuPQptQNlXoZq8JovgUI5ojPaPTN8TdtaKzKaQBeA&s=v-9lru50LBa481z6Bnw8L-ce1VZgUU53Wu6t5Z9Bg9U&e=

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  81. 2016-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] anyone want to see Star Wars tonight?
  82. 2016-12-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  83. 2016-12-16 From: "APhA's Pharmacy Today" <PTdaily-at-aphanet.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] December 16,
  84. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  85. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  86. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  87. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  88. 2016-12-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  89. 2016-12-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  90. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Look C++ is a functional programming language
  91. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  92. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  93. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  94. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  95. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  96. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  97. 2016-12-19 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  98. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  99. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  100. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] another offbeat distro
  101. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  102. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] systemd critique et al
  103. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  104. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  105. 2016-12-19 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  106. 2016-12-19 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #282 - The White Camels are roaming
  107. 2016-12-19 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  108. 2016-12-19 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  109. 2016-12-19 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
  110. 2016-12-19 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
  111. 2016-12-19 ISOC-NY announcements <announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [isoc-ny] JOB: Telecommunications Policy Specialist
  112. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  113. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  114. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
  115. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] NYLXS Textbook Section
  116. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] NYLXS Textbook Section
  117. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  118. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  119. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] NYLXS Textbook Section
  120. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Workshops -at- ACM/SPEC ICPE 2017 - Call for
  121. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] wow - just got an email from Ruth
  122. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  123. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  124. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  125. 2016-12-20 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  126. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  127. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  128. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ocean Parkway Protest!!
  129. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The ever growing police state
  130. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your right
  131. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] F'ing Mouse Pad
  132. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  133. 2016-12-20 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] BHI'17 Registration Now Open!
  134. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your
  135. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  136. 2016-12-20 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  137. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  138. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your
  139. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  140. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The fascinating case of Bernie Goetz
  141. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  142. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The fascinating case of Bernie Goetz
  143. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  144. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The fascinating case of Bernie Goetz
  145. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your
  146. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Thank god he is dead
  147. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn Principal Shot to Death While Looking for
  148. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Marla Hanson recalls her nightmare
  149. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Official crime numbers in Kings County
  150. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  151. 2016-12-21 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] LIU Brooklyn Campus Safety
  152. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] LIU Brooklyn Campus Safety
  153. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas
  154. 2016-12-21 From: "Amy at NTEN" <amy-at-nten.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] NTEN Connect: The Best NPTech Stories of 2016,
  155. 2016-12-21 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] 2017 ISBI Call for Abstracts- Submission Deadline
  156. 2016-12-21 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  157. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  158. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Marnchester by the Sea
  159. 2016-12-21 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  160. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  161. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas
  162. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  163. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  164. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] the sorry state of this country and its bizarre
  165. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas: Yeah but
  166. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] sorry state this country,
  167. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT | | Yeah,
  168. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] sorry state this country,
  169. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Shelter Cove- which one ? There are two- one in
  170. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Shelter Cove- which one ? There are two- one in
  171. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  172. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  173. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  174. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  175. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] We were talking about how you could transport
  176. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  177. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Shelter Cove- which one ? There are two- one in
  178. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT | | Yeah,
  179. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] sorry state this country,
  180. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas: Yeah but
  181. 2016-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Homeless have taken over 34th street
  182. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the sorry state of this country and its bizarre
  183. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the sorry state of this country and its bizarre
  184. 2016-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] HOPL (History of Programming Languages)
  185. 2016-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Tiny Compiler in many languages at
  186. 2016-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Chag Simaach
  187. 2016-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] jobs
  188. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Sanders and Socialism
  189. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Free Speach
  190. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Google and C++
  191. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Conflicts of Interest
  192. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Syria wished you a Merry Christmas
  193. 2016-12-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Light even in the darkness
  194. 2016-12-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Syria wished you a Merry Christmas
  195. 2016-12-26 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #283 - Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah
  196. 2016-12-26 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #283 - Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah
  197. 2016-12-27 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Israel band, Iran Good
  198. 2016-12-27 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Israel band, Iran Good
  199. 2016-12-27 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] International criminals, every jew
  200. 2016-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] she's gone
  201. 2016-12-27 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] International criminals, every jew
  202. 2016-12-28 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] International criminals, every jew
  203. 2016-12-28 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] can't find the damn ball anywhere here
  204. 2016-12-28 From: "Pharmacy Times" <enews-at-pharmacytimes.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Xtampza(R) ER (oxycodone) Product Bulletin
  205. 2016-12-29 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Police State gets one step closer

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