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2016
Why Democrats Should Beware Sanders=E2=80=99 Socialism

He=E2=80=99s a socialist, not a liberal=E2=80=94and there=E2=80=99s a big d=
ifference.

By Paul Starr

February 22, 2016

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The excitement surrounding Bernie Sanders=E2=80=99 presidential bid has man=
y on
the left hoping that Americans are ready to embrace socialism. That
would be something. After the Republicans renominated Richard Nixon in
1968, James Reston of the New York Times called Nixon=E2=80=99s victory at =
the
convention =E2=80=9Cthe greatest comeback since Lazarus.=E2=80=9D If Sander=
s raises
socialism from the dead, that resurrection will surely top Nixon=E2=80=99s.

So, just what is Sanders=E2=80=99 socialism? As analogs to his own program,
Sanders points to the policies of Franklin D. Roosevelt=E2=80=99s New Deal =
and
the social democracies of northern Europe. As a liberal, I find a lot to
like about both of those. But Sanders=E2=80=99 portrayal of democratic soci=
alism
as nothing but the New Deal is a disingenuous sleight of hand that plays
on foggy historical memories. And his comparison to Nordic social
democracy is equally misleading: Much of Sanders=E2=80=99s platform ignores=
the
economic realities that European socialists long ago accepted.

Many people may be inclined to interpret Sanders=E2=80=99 calls for a revol=
ution
as just a rhetorical flourish. I think we should take it seriously. His
policies are rooted in a socialist framework rather than a liberal one.
And despite what Republicans may say, there=E2=80=99s a big difference betw=
een
socialism and liberalism. Democrats and independents attracted to
Sanders ought to think twice before shrugging off his self-description
as a socialist.

Politicians can try to give words their own spin=E2=80=94see the debate bet=
ween
Sanders and Hillary Clinton over the meaning of =E2=80=9Cprogressive=E2=80=
=9D=E2=80=94but they
cannot insist on public amnesia about what those terms have signified
before their campaigns. Socialism has a history, and Sanders himself has
a history as a socialist. Both of those are relevant to understanding
Sanders=E2=80=99 proposals and where he wants America to go.

The term =E2=80=9Csocialism=E2=80=9D first came into use in the 1830s in Fr=
ance and
Britain, just around the time the word =E2=80=9Cindividualism=E2=80=9D was =
being
popularized. Socialism primarily referred to socializing private
property, putting it either in communal ownership (as in the
experimental communities of that era) or in the hands of the state.
After the experimental communities faded or failed, socialists focused
on state ownership of the means of production and state planning of the
economy.

Sanders=E2=80=99 portrayal of democratic socialism as nothing but the N=
ew
Deal is a disingenuous sleight of hand that plays on foggy historical
memories.

Social insurance programs=E2=80=94worker=E2=80=99s compensation, unemployme=
nt insurance,
health insurance, old-age pensions=E2=80=94had other origins, chiefly as a
response of anti-socialist governments to the rise of socialism and
labor unions, first in Germany under Bismarck in the 1880s and later in
other European countries, including Britain a quarter-century later
under the Liberal Party=E2=80=99s David Lloyd George. Lloyd George also
introduced a more progressive income tax shortly before the United
States ratified the 16th Amendment in 1913, enabling Congress to pass an
income tax under Woodrow Wilson.

The policies distinctively associated with socialism=E2=80=94nationalizatio=
n of
industry and economic planning=E2=80=94had disappointing results where they=
were
adopted. They were notably unsuccessful in adjusting to economic change
and generating high rates of innovation. The political pressures that
governments face restrict their ability to make tough but necessary
economic decisions=E2=80=94to shrink industries in decline and reallocate
capital to areas of growth.

During the mid-20th century, the United States was fortunate to avoid
the program that socialists were calling for at that time. While
Roosevelt experimented with different strategies in the New Deal, he did
not undertake any large-scale nationalization, and the primary legacies
he left behind were Social Security and regulatory agencies that not
only maintained capitalism but also saved it from self-destructive
excesses. Far from embracing socialism, Roosevelt rejected it and ran
against socialist opponents, who had no doubt that socialism and the New
Deal were very different.

As the old socialist program of state ownership and planning became
harder to defend in the era after World War II, =E2=80=9Csocial democrats=
=E2=80=9D and
=E2=80=9Cdemocratic socialists=E2=80=9D=E2=80=94terms intended to emphasize=
they weren=E2=80=99t
Bolsheviks=E2=80=94championed expanded social-insurance programs and progre=
ssive
taxation. These redistributive policies have been at the heart of the
northern European model Sanders invokes, except that he misses one key
aspect of it. Based on a =E2=80=9Cclass compromise,=E2=80=9D that model inc=
ludes trade
and tax policies sought by business. The northern European countries tax
labor and consumption heavily, but they have open-trade policies and
lower taxes on capital to foster growth.

The Vermont senator calls for increasing the top marginal tax rate on
capital gains to 64.2 percent, which would not only be nearly triple the
current rate and a peacetime record in the United States but also far
higher than in any of the countries Sanders admires. In contrast,
Denmark=E2=80=99s tax rate on capital gains=E2=80=94the highest rate in Eur=
ope=E2=80=94is 42
percent; France=E2=80=99s, 34.4 percent; Sweden=E2=80=99s, 30 percent; and =
Germany=E2=80=99s, 25
percent. Under Barack Obama, the U.S. rate has risen from 15 percent to
23.8 percent, a significant increase but well within both recent U.S.
experience and current patterns abroad.

Sanders=E2=80=99 64.2 percent capital gains rate actually understates the f=
ull
brunt of his program. He also advocates a significant financial
transaction tax (FTT), which would tax losses as well as gains. (We
currently have a tiny FTT, which pays for the Security and Exchange
Commission, but Sanders is talking about one that will be big enough to
finance free college tuition for all.) Add in state taxes on capital
gains averaging about 4 percent nationally=E2=80=94and reaching 13 percent =
in
California=E2=80=94and there is little doubt that Sanders=E2=80=99s capital=
gains tax is
at counterproductive levels. With total marginal rates approaching 70
percent, people would hold on to appreciated assets rather than sell
them. As a result, government revenue from the tax would fall. So would
new investment, with serious repercussions for economic growth.

Sanders gives no indication of even considering these difficulties.
Whenever he talks about taxing =E2=80=9CWall Street,=E2=80=9D he frames it =
as a
repayment and a punishment for past financial misconduct. The business
model of Wall Street, he says, is =E2=80=9Cfraud.=E2=80=9D And so he calls =
for taxes at
confiscatory levels=E2=80=94economic consequences for the country be damned.

He is still calling for a =E2=80=9Crevolution=E2=80=9D to achieve socia=
lism,
blasting the =E2=80=9Cruling class,=E2=80=9D endorsing taxes at confiscator=
y levels and
proposing a health plan that would effectively nationalize a sixth of
the economy.

Sanders=E2=80=99 single-payer health plan shows the same indifference to
real-world consequences. The plan calls for eliminating all patient cost
sharing and promises to cover the full range of services, including
long-term care. With health care running at 17.5 percent of gross
domestic product, Sanders=E2=80=99 plan would sweep a huge share of economic
activity into the federal government and invite that share to grow.
Another way of looking at single payer is that it would make Washington
the sole checkpoint, removing the incentive for anyone else=E2=80=94patient=
s,
providers, employers or state governments=E2=80=94even to monitor, much less
hold back, excessive costs. It would leave no alternative except federal
management of the health sector.

Although Sanders often justifies his plan by referring to Canada and
European countries, they generally achieve universal coverage without
the degree of centralization he is calling for. The Canadian system is
financed and run at the provincial level. Many European countries have
multiple insurance funds and institutionalized bargaining among
stakeholder groups, with power devolved on regional bodies. As in the
case of tax policy, Sanders=E2=80=99 policies are more traditionally social=
ist
than those of most of the countries he invokes as models.

Sanders=E2=80=99 program reflects his life commitments. In some respects, h=
is
biography recapitulates the journey of socialism itself. When he was in
his 20s, Sanders worked on a radical kibbutz in Israel=E2=80=94the communal
socialist phase. In 1979, he produced a video about the longtime
Socialist Party leader Eugene Debs; on the soundtrack, released by
Folkways Records, you can hear Sanders performing Debs=E2=80=99 speeches ca=
lling
for an end to capitalism. In 1980, Sanders served as a presidential
elector for the Socialist Workers Party, which supported the
nationalization of industry and expressed solidarity with revolutionary
dictatorships, including Iran (this at the time Iran was holding
American hostages).

As he has pursued a political career in Vermont and as a member of
Congress, Sanders has repositioned himself close to liberals, while
denying he was a Democrat until the current campaign. But even now his
worldview and the policies he is advocating are consistent with his old
faith. He is still calling for a =E2=80=9Crevolution=E2=80=9D to achieve so=
cialism,
blasting the =E2=80=9Cruling class,=E2=80=9D endorsing taxes at confiscator=
y levels and
proposing a health plan that would effectively nationalize a sixth of
the economy. Summing up his proposals, left-of-center economists
estimate that it would increase the size of the federal government by 40
percent to 50 percent.

Sanders is also doing what populists on both sides of the political
spectrum do so well: the mobilization of resentment. The attacks on
billionaires and Wall Street are a way of eliciting a roar of approval
from angry audiences without necessarily having good solutions for the
problems that caused that anger in the first place.

In the wake of the 2008 financial crisis and the government=E2=80=99s failu=
re to
prosecute those responsible for it, many Democrats are legitimately
angry and therefore receptive to this kind of appeal. Whether socialism
is what they want is another question. Some writers on the left point to
the Des Moines Register poll before the Iowa caucuses, in which 43
percent of likely Democratic caucus-goers said they would use the word
=E2=80=9Csocialist=E2=80=9D to describe themselves, compared with 38 percen=
t who would
use the word =E2=80=9Ccapitalist.=E2=80=9D But among the general population=
, the
socialist label is still largely a political taboo. In a June 2015
Gallup poll asking voters whether they would support candidates with
certain characteristics, =E2=80=9Csocialist=E2=80=9D was a disqualifier for=
more voters
(50 percent) than any other attribute, including =E2=80=9CMuslim=E2=80=9D a=
nd =E2=80=9Catheist.=E2=80=9D

After feverish right-wing accusations that every liberal proposal is
tantamount to socialism, the last thing liberals need is a Democratic
presidential candidate blurring that line.

READ MORE

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2016
Meet Brian Sandoval, Nevada=E2=80=99s Party Pooper

By Ben Wofford
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2016
I Get Sanders=E2=80=99 Appeal. But He=E2=80=99s Not a Credible Presiden=
t.

By Paul Starr
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2016
Bernie=E2=80=99s Army of Coders

By Darren Samuelsohn

Receptivity to the socialist label is higher among the young. But as
Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight has pointed out, public opinion data on
preferences about the size of government among young people do not show
a shift toward a socialist worldview. A higher rate of self-identified
=E2=80=9Csocialists=E2=80=9D is more about anger at capitalist excess than =
it is genuine
socialist fervor.

Since Republicans have been calling Obama a socialist for the past eight
years, the label socialist may seem to many to be a synonym for
progressive or liberal. But the differences between socialism and
liberalism are fundamental. At its core, liberalism has a concern for
liberty. While liberals have expanded public programs, they also have
sought to strengthen rights that limit arbitrary power, both
governmental and private. Liberals do not sanctify the free market, but
they care about preserving the incentives that stimulate innovation and
investment and make possible a flourishing economy.

Socialism and Sanders have their heart in a different place=E2=80=94economic
equality before all else. Socialism is still the dream of those who
don=E2=80=99t worry about concentrating power in the state or about the per=
verse
effects of making goods and services available at a zero price. To bring
socialism back from the dead wearing New Deal liberalism as a mask is no
service to either. Socialists should know the difference, and liberals
should too. After feverish right-wing accusations that every liberal
proposal is tantamount to socialism, the last thing liberals need is a
Democratic presidential candidate blurring that line.
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  42. 2016-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend
  43. 2016-12-11 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend
  44. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friendII
  45. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend III
  46. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend IV
  47. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend V
  48. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  49. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  50. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VII
  51. 2016-12-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  52. 2016-12-11 Rick Tanner <leaf-at-real-time.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [crossfire] Crossfire wiki offline for maintenance
  53. 2016-12-12 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #281 - The holidays are upon us!
  54. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  55. 2016-12-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  56. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Minoan history
  57. 2016-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Death of the Sea Saw
  58. 2016-12-12 Nawaz Nazeer Ahamed <nawaz.nazeer.ahamed-at-oracle.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] MySQL Community Server 5.6.35 has been released
  59. 2016-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] C++ Threads Workshop
  60. 2016-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Summer Jobs
  61. 2016-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  62. 2016-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [dinosaur] Ceratopsid (Centrosaurinae:
  63. 2016-12-13 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] goldfinch
  64. 2016-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Apollo Moon Shot Photography
  65. 2016-12-14 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] For Ruben ( + those in NYC Metro ) : Holiday Social
  66. 2016-12-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  67. 2016-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  68. 2016-12-14 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Apollo Moon Shot Photography
  69. 2016-12-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  70. 2016-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Your Santa Imam is here
  71. 2016-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  72. 2016-12-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  73. 2016-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Barak and Jerry Show
  74. 2016-12-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Michael Kingsley and the Fascist in Office
  75. 2016-12-15 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <mat-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Join the MAT Program Class of 2017
  76. 2016-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] this story is 5 years late on drug prices
  77. 2016-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Attacks at Cornel
  78. 2016-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  79. 2016-12-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  80. 2016-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the Week! Hello BOB!!
  81. 2016-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] anyone want to see Star Wars tonight?
  82. 2016-12-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  83. 2016-12-16 From: "APhA's Pharmacy Today" <PTdaily-at-aphanet.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] December 16,
  84. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  85. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  86. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  87. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  88. 2016-12-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  89. 2016-12-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  90. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Look C++ is a functional programming language
  91. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  92. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  93. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  94. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  95. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  96. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  97. 2016-12-19 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  98. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  99. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  100. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] another offbeat distro
  101. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  102. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] systemd critique et al
  103. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  104. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  105. 2016-12-19 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  106. 2016-12-19 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #282 - The White Camels are roaming
  107. 2016-12-19 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  108. 2016-12-19 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  109. 2016-12-19 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
  110. 2016-12-19 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
  111. 2016-12-19 ISOC-NY announcements <announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [isoc-ny] JOB: Telecommunications Policy Specialist
  112. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  113. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  114. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
  115. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] NYLXS Textbook Section
  116. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] NYLXS Textbook Section
  117. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  118. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  119. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] NYLXS Textbook Section
  120. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Workshops -at- ACM/SPEC ICPE 2017 - Call for
  121. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] wow - just got an email from Ruth
  122. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  123. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  124. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  125. 2016-12-20 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  126. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  127. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  128. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ocean Parkway Protest!!
  129. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The ever growing police state
  130. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your right
  131. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] F'ing Mouse Pad
  132. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  133. 2016-12-20 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] BHI'17 Registration Now Open!
  134. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your
  135. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  136. 2016-12-20 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  137. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  138. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your
  139. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  140. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The fascinating case of Bernie Goetz
  141. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  142. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The fascinating case of Bernie Goetz
  143. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  144. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The fascinating case of Bernie Goetz
  145. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your
  146. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Thank god he is dead
  147. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn Principal Shot to Death While Looking for
  148. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Marla Hanson recalls her nightmare
  149. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Official crime numbers in Kings County
  150. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  151. 2016-12-21 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] LIU Brooklyn Campus Safety
  152. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] LIU Brooklyn Campus Safety
  153. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas
  154. 2016-12-21 From: "Amy at NTEN" <amy-at-nten.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] NTEN Connect: The Best NPTech Stories of 2016,
  155. 2016-12-21 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] 2017 ISBI Call for Abstracts- Submission Deadline
  156. 2016-12-21 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  157. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  158. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Marnchester by the Sea
  159. 2016-12-21 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  160. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  161. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas
  162. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  163. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  164. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] the sorry state of this country and its bizarre
  165. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas: Yeah but
  166. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] sorry state this country,
  167. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT | | Yeah,
  168. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] sorry state this country,
  169. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Shelter Cove- which one ? There are two- one in
  170. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Shelter Cove- which one ? There are two- one in
  171. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  172. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  173. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  174. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  175. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] We were talking about how you could transport
  176. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  177. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Shelter Cove- which one ? There are two- one in
  178. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT | | Yeah,
  179. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] sorry state this country,
  180. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas: Yeah but
  181. 2016-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Homeless have taken over 34th street
  182. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the sorry state of this country and its bizarre
  183. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the sorry state of this country and its bizarre
  184. 2016-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] HOPL (History of Programming Languages)
  185. 2016-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Tiny Compiler in many languages at
  186. 2016-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Chag Simaach
  187. 2016-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] jobs
  188. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Sanders and Socialism
  189. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Free Speach
  190. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Google and C++
  191. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Conflicts of Interest
  192. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Syria wished you a Merry Christmas
  193. 2016-12-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Light even in the darkness
  194. 2016-12-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Syria wished you a Merry Christmas
  195. 2016-12-26 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #283 - Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah
  196. 2016-12-26 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #283 - Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah
  197. 2016-12-27 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Israel band, Iran Good
  198. 2016-12-27 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Israel band, Iran Good
  199. 2016-12-27 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] International criminals, every jew
  200. 2016-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] she's gone
  201. 2016-12-27 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] International criminals, every jew
  202. 2016-12-28 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] International criminals, every jew
  203. 2016-12-28 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] can't find the damn ball anywhere here
  204. 2016-12-28 From: "Pharmacy Times" <enews-at-pharmacytimes.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Xtampza(R) ER (oxycodone) Product Bulletin
  205. 2016-12-29 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Police State gets one step closer

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