|FROM ||Rick Moen
|SUBJECT ||Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
|Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 09:51:33PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):
> > > > Remind me, which Muslim clergymen endorse ISIS blowing up cathedrals?
> > > >
> > > > Oh, wait. None.
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > Oh, go ahead and _do_ tell me which Muslim 'cleric' resident in the UK
> > specifically endorsed ISIS attempting to blow up St. Mark's Coptic
> > cathedral in Cairo and thereby killing innocent people, as being
> > meritorious according to Islam -- and amuse me by expecting me to
> > consider whatever-you-produce to be a reasonable response.
> I already did, you didn't listen to the video. What is this bait and
> switch that you do? I have to find Engish base anti-coptics Imams, and
> in Egypt is not enough?
It's not bait and switch. It's precisely what _you_ claimed.
In the very mail I was responding to, you stated that some Muslim 'cleric'
(whatever you mean by that) in Britain (which you spelled 'Britten') are
'completely supporting' ISIS (whatever that means) -- which is, I'll
note, non-responsive to the notion of actually _endorsing blowing up St. Mark's_.
ISIS is completely supported by a cadre of Islamic clerics including
"moderate" clerics in great Britten as was displayed ont he video i
publiced from te BBC brefore.
So, I suggested you put your money where your mouth is. Note: For
these alleged 'clerics' to support your notion of my statement that
there aren't Muslim clerics endorsing ISIS blowing up cathedrals,
the 'video' (whatever that is) would need to actually
_endorse ISIS blowing up St. Mark's_. Are you saying that there
were 'clerics' urging ISIS to blow up St. Mark's, but they are in Egypt
rather than Britain?
If you don't _mean_ that, and you are doing your usual bullshit vague
handwave crazy-dance with the phrase 'completely supporting', then
_you_, sir, are the one guilty of bait and switch, and have a lot of
gall yelling 'Wrong', and then doing a vague ideology display.
Moreover, as mentioned, I am not going to offer US $200 on just some yutz
making 'Kill the Copts' noise, but rather a _cleric_ in an actually
meaningful sense of the word 'cleric'. Your swapping in the word
'imam', where I gave the example of mullahs, strongly suggests that,
indeed, you _are_ just talking about some yutz or yutzes who saw a
chance to get attention in front of a camera.
In fact, I _also_ suspect you have fsck-all idea what the term 'imam'
means. So, in the service of public education, I will tell you.
'Imam', from the Arabic word for 'front', is merely the person who
stands at the front of the congregation and leads prayer. It _can_ also
be used as a honorific for a knowledgeable person, but that is not the
primary meaning of the word. Unlike 'mullah', the implication is not
necessarily a person of significant learning or respectability; in the
general case, it's just the guy chosen to stand at the front and lead
the course of prayer.
As essentially all branches of Islam (excepting primarily the Iranian
variety of Shi'a Islam) are totally non-hierarchical, any old yutz _can_
proclaim himself a 'mullah', _but_ this can be checked against reality
by seeing who is _meaningfully_ a mullah by public standing. Whereas,
'imam' doesn't even mean any particular authority in the first place,
just being the guy who stands in front.
> You put my neck in a noose, Rick
You can take your neck out of the noose any time; _you_, sir, put it there.
I suggest you begin by doing The Right Thing and apologising for the
bellowing of 'wrong' and then being unwilling to put your money where
you mouth is. And then you can apologise for so totally misreading what
I wrote McVeigh that you missed the word 'not', and accused me of saying
he was following orders from the Catholic Church.
No, you're quite right that this isn't funny at all. You really do need
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