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DATE 2016-12-20
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Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com):

> http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state/ny
> Serious danger to state sovereignty and your right to have your vote count

{guffaw}

I'll just repost here what I said elsewhere:




Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 12:26:17 -0800
From: Rick Moen
To: skeptic-at-linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [skeptic] Rural and urban divide

Quoting James H.G. Redekop:

[...]

> I also wonder if the result would have been the same if every state
> used the Maine & Nebraska approach to distributing Electoral Votes.
>
> Interesting development: Maine has just voted to start using
> instant-runoff ranked-choice voting for Senate, Congress, Governor,
> State Senate, and State Rep elections.

Also encouraging is the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact
(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact),
implemented under the Constitution's Compact Clause (Article I, section
10, clause 3):

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of
Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any
Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or
engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as
will not admit of delay.

Now, reading that, you would correctly read that as _banning_ compacts
among the states without Congressional approval, but the US Supreme
Court in Virginia v. Tennessee, 148 U.S. 503 (1893) clarified that the
Compact Clause requires congressional consent only if the agreement
among the states is "directed to the formation of any combination
tending to the increase of political power in the States, which may
encroach upon or interfere with the just supremacy of the United
States".

Ten states plus D.C. have ratifief the National Popular Vote Interstate
Compact, constituting so far 165 electoral votes (61.1% of the 270 votes
at which point it would activate and have legal force). The Compact
states that the signatory states agree that, in any year where their
combined electoral votes constitute an Electoral College majority, they
agree to cast _all_ of their Electoral College votes for the nationwide
popular vote presidential/VP winners.

The problem, as usual, has been getting states who benefit from the
present embarrassingly distortive system to agree to join -- 'red'
states and swing states that get disproportionate power and funds from
the present skewed system. In that regard, the Electoral College
distortion is as addictive as gerrymandering, voter suppression tactics,
lifetime disenfranchisement of former felons, the Three-Fifths
Compromise, poll taxes, and voter literacy tests -- all of those being
thumbs on the national scales.

Governor Schwarzenegger vetoed the California Legislature's
ratification of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact in 2007,
on the insultingly obvious specious grounds that 'it could require their
states' electoral votes to be awarded to a candidate who did not win a
majority in their state', one of the times IMO when Der Gubernator most
let the state down. (This was a bullshit sleight-of-hand objection
because, under a national popular vote system, state-level majorities
are irrelevant: In any state, votes cast contribute to the nationwide
tally, which determines the winner. The preferences of individual
voters are thus paramount, while state-level majorities are an obsolete
intermediary measure.) However, current Governor Jerry Brown signed it
when the current Legislature ratified it again in 2011.

California is also _among_ the states that have adopted pretty-good
solutions to ending gerrymandering, via a Citizens Redistricting
Commission
(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Citizens_Redistricting_Commission),
that starting in 2008 has had sovereign power to redraw districts after
each decennial census and consists by law of five Democrats, five
Republicans, and four commissioners from neither major party. Arizona
has a basically identical setup, adopted in 2000.

21 states use some variant of this process for either just state
legislature districts or those plus US House of Representatives
districts, preventing incumbents from putting their thumbs on the
scales. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistricting_commission

California also adopted in 2010 a unique 'Top-Two Primary' system
(http://www.independentvoterproject.org/top_two_primary) to prevent the
_political parties_ putting their thumbs on the scales. This has
likewise been helpful in eliminating partisan divides and keeping the
_parties_ from putting their thumbs on the scale.

But then we have the states that still think 1820 was a really good
year, and keep trying to go back.





Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 13:51:51 -0800
From: Rick Moen
To: skeptic-at-linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [skeptic] Rural and urban divide

Quoting Michael D. Sofka:

> I had not heard about this before, and leads me to yet another
> scenario we haven't seen, but which at this point would not surprise
> me. Imagine the Electoral Collage and popular vote go for one
> candidate, but the result is close enough that one of the states,
> whose legislator and governor are from the other party, pass a bill
> directing a slate of electors for their own party, overturning the
> decision. Not possible? Florida's legislator was threatening to do
> just that in 2000 should the recount lead to a Gore victory in the
> state.

Yes. It's _always_ been the case that a state's slate of electors can be
pawns of its legislature and governor, completely ignoring the will of
the state's voters (unless of course they rise up and carry out an
improbably rapid recall election).

And all of this is because the Founding Fathers were dealing with some
pretty skeevy political compromises that were inherent in the politics
of their day, _and_ also really didn't have a lot of faith in their
system _and_ were frankly petrified of democracy.

If you can find Season 1, Episode 7 of 'Adam Ruins Everything' with
Adam Conover, the episode entitled 'Adam Ruins Voting', you might find
that a delightful explanation of that entire historical background.
Trutv.com, alas, hosts the episodes for free online streaming only for
30 days, but perhaps here:
http://www.watchseriesgo.to/episode/adam_ruins_everything_s1_e7.html
http://projectfreetv.us/adam-ruins-everyth/season-1/episode-7/14419.html
(Most of these 'free' video streaming sites are pretty skeevy. Expect
popunders and other sorts of sleaze.) Much better, it can be torrented:
http://1337x.to/torrent/1353641/Adam-Ruins-Everything-S01E07-720p-HDTV-x264-W4F/

The one-hour Election Special is available for streaming, and is a hoot:
http://www.trutv.com/full-episodes/adam-ruins-everything/2100491/index.html
...but only if you're a customer of a qualifying cable television provider.
For the rest of us:
http://1337x.to/torrent/1855403/Adam-Ruins-Everything-S01-Special-The-Adam-Ruins-Everything-Election-Special-HDTV-x264-W4F-SRIGGA/

> The electoral college as constituted could not perform it's original
> intent. All it can do is thwart the majority, which it has done
> twice now in recent elections.

Yes. And _if_ you are talling all occasions over US history
(as opposed to just recently) when majority intent was foiled by the
Electoral College, then four times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZTTB10_Vo





Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 11:25:02 -0800
From: Rick Moen
To: skeptic-at-linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [skeptic] FW.....electoral votes

Quoting Terry W. Colvin), citing Lou Shanley:

> Just to give an update- - the founding fathers created the electoral
> college and delegate votes to keep the election process fair and
> balanced.

No, they created the Electoral College because they really didn't trust
democracy very much, because a national public election running from
Vermont to Georgia wasn't feasible in the era of horse and buggy, and so
that the slave states could have a thumb on the scales called the
Three-Fifths Compromise.


> it's removing the democratic process which is based on an honest
> majority, which we all know is nearly impossible, especially today.

No, it _used_ to be impossible, back in 1787. It's extremely possible
_today_, except that the Electoral College, disenfranchisement of former
felons for life (which is literally a surviving portion of the Jim Crow
laws and exists for the same purpose), disenfranchisement of half a
million D.C. voters in Congressional elections, and chickenshit
voter-suppression tactics prevent it.

> The smaller and less populated states needed a voice to be heard and
> so this republic developed the electoral college.

I think Lou forgot to add, 'and the more slaves a state had'.

> It was advised wisely by founding fathers that all citizens cast their
> vote and the delegates will represent your voice

I think Lou forgot to say 'all white, male, adult citizens who own real
estate and absolutely no others'.

> As a former poll watcher who overlooked the workers and supervisors, I
> can attest to corruption taking place at polling places.

You know why this is so incredibly rare in the 21st Century (albeit
it was common in particular local areas through most of the 20th)?
Because it's a major felony.

If your state or county is so very lawless that major felonies aren't
prosecuted, then indeed you will have corrupt elections (as was still
common in some parts of the USA though the 1960s), but you also have a
lot bigger problems.

But here's the thing that gets me about logic like Lou Shanley's, Terry:
Let's assume that you live in a state where the electoral officials and
local/state law enforcement authorities are so corrupt and slipshod that
massive voting fraud goes deliberately unprosecuted. OK, we're now
running with that assumption. _Given_ that, how on God's green earth
does Lou reach the conclusion that the state electors, personally
nominated by the state's corrupt power elites and then selected by
statewide popular vote administered by the aforementioned corrupt
electoral officials who are distorting the vote, are going to be an
improvement and 'not a perfect system, but right now it is the best'?
Because the electors are coated in special Founding Father sauce? I
really don't think so. If Lou is arguing that his state's popular vote
was corrupted, then his state's selection of electors was therefore also
corrupted, because the first picked the second.

Why is this so difficult for Lou to figure out? Perhaps, because he
doesn't want to?





Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 21:29:28 -0800
From: Rick Moen
To: skeptic-at-linuxmafia.com
Subject: (forw) The Electoral College thing

Rob Walker is a friend and former co-worker here in the S.F. Bay Area,
whom I worked with at VA Linux Systems, and who comes from a very
conservative family in rural Idaho and Montana. At a gathering
recently, he hit me with a startling assertion that dropping the
Electoral College would lead to 'the French Revolution'. Being somewhat
taken by surprise, even after unpacking his meaning I said merely 'That
bears some thinking over.'

So, I'm getting back to him.

----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen -----

Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 21:00:33 -0800
From: Rick Moen
To: Rob Walker
Subject: The Electoral College thing
Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.

You kind of took my by surprise with the polite question about whether
popular election of US Pres/VP wouldn't tend towards 'French
Revolution', i.e., effete liberal city-dwellers running roughshod
over decent rural conservatives.


There's a very, very legitimate question about how best to structure
the election to balance interests. But I don't go around forming and
expressing opinions on things that _simply aren't going to happen_.

Thing is, whoever are in power always want to keep the Electoral College,
for the simple reason that they won. If you say to a politician of the
winning faction 'Congratulations on your victory. Now, how would you
like to amend away the voting system that put you in office?', your
answer will always be some form of 'no'. Hence, the idea is always
appealing only with a currently _losing_ faction, hence it never
happens.

Hence, I don't spend time thinking about it, because it won't happen.
I care only about real-world politics, not about fantasy-world politics.


To directly address the idea that the Electoral College prevents
domination by big cities, actually, no it doesn't necessarily do that at
all. Imagine the following 11 states' electoral votes all choosing one
Pres/VP slate:

California, 55
Texas, 38
Florida, 29
New York, 29
Illinois, 20
Pennsylvania, 20
Ohio, 18
Georgia, 16
Michigan, 16
North Carolina, 15
New Jersey, 14

That's 270 electoral votes: Those 11 _urban_ states can completely
ignore what the other 39 states + DC want. Now, those _are_ the states
with most Electoral College votes, but also exactly the states
containing most significant US cities.[1]

Those 11 aren't likely to agree, but the point is that if they do, the
Electoral College _is_ what would give the huge cities in them control
over the election. So, the assumption in your question was mistaken:
Nothing about the Electoral College is guaranteed to protect the rights
of rural states, or small states, or less-populated states, or
conservative states. It could make the opposite happen, in fact.


That aside, I recommend these very entertaining videos on the subject
by CGP Grey, especially #3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k (6 mins, 30 secs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZTTB10_Vo (21 secs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3wLQz-LgrM (4 mins, 42 secs)

The third is a slight correction to the other two. In the first one,
he had defined population of a 'city' by whoever's in the city limits,
which is plainly not quite right: One needs to consider metro areas.
So, he did, in the third video. (As he notes, this is made complex by
some metro areas crossing state lines, as with NYC metro extending
across NY/NJ/CT.)

Worth your time. Grey is interesting even when he's off-target -- and
even his uncorrected first video makes thoughtful points.


E.g., he points out that this equally unlikely but _possible_ edge case
of a voter alliance _also_ tops 270: the aforementioned 'other 39
states plus DC' (if you add New Jersey).

Consider what happens if 50% plus 1 voters in each of these 40 places
(and also 50% plus 1 vote in New Jersey) ever all vote for a single
Pres/VP ticket:

Wyoming, 3. District of Columbia, 3. Vermont, 3. North Dakota, 3.
Alaska, 3. South Dakota, 3. Delaware, 3. Montana, 3. Rhode Island, 4.
New Hampshire, 4. Maine, 4. Hawaii, 4. Idaho, 4. Nevada, 4.
West Virginia, 5. New Mexico, 5. Nebraska, 6. Utah, 6. Kansas, 6.
Arkansas, 6. Mississippi, 6. Iowa, 6. Connecticut, 7.
Oklahoma, 7. Oregon, 7. Kentucky, 8. Louisiana, 8. South Carolina, 9.
Alabama, 9. Colorado, 9. Minnesota, 10. Wisconsin, 10. Maryland, 10.
Missouri, 10. Tennessee, 11. Arizona, 11. Indiana, 11. Massachusetts, 11.
Washington, 12. Virginia, 13. New Jersey, 14.

That's 281 Electoral College votes -- but, as Grey points out, involves
only 21.91% of the popular vote: Less than 1/4 of the votes cast can nail
the Presidency -- because of the Electoral College. That's certainly
not right, either.

The difficult way to change it is a constitutional amendment, which
won't work because 2/3 of each house of Congress won't pass it. Even if
that happened, or a constitutional convention called by 2/3 of the
states approved one by a 2/3 supermajority, the required ratification
by 3/4 of the states wouldn't approve it. Because politics.

The easier way is a state compact, such as
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact,
which would take effect if states comprising a majority of Electoral
College votes (currently 270) approved it. Ten states plus DC have,
comprising 165 Electoral College votes, have approved it -- but it
is pointless until there's 270, which won't happen, because politics.


So, short answer: Electing Presidents by popular vote constituting a
threat to conservatives, rural people, etc. is pure fantasy because
(1) switching to popular vote wouldn't necessarily empower urban liberals
anyway (the opposite can happen), (2) urbanites already _can_ control
such a election via Electoral College given the right state alliance,
and (3) anyway, the USA _won't_ switch, because politics.



[1] Of the USA's 30 biggest urban areas, that 11 state list misses only
Washington, DC (spread across DC, MD, and VA), Boston, Phoenix/Mesa,
Seattle, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Denver/Aurora, Baltimore, St. Louis (the
part that's in MO, but not the part in IL), Las Vegas/Henderson, and
Portland, OR.

----- End forwarded message -----





Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:41:06 -0800
From: Rick Moen
To: skeptic-at-linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [skeptic] More from the state of fruits and nuts...

Quoting Garrison Hilliard:

[posting somebody's well-stated critique of clickbait site The
Federalist Papers's Dec. 18 story 'Hillary's Popular Vote Win Came
ENTIRELY from California']

I don't have a lot to add, except that I checked the figures about that
1.4 million, and it's correctly calculated.

Popular vote totals from The Cook Political Report are handy (unless you
really want to glean the figures from all 51 official sources, which is
what Cook Political Report worker David Wasserman did).

Nationwide:
Clinton 65,844,610
Trump: 62,979,636
Others: 7,804,213
Total 136,628,459

California's official figures, from Secretary of State Alex Padilla's
Dec. 16, 2016 Statement of Vote:

Clinton 8,753,788
Trump 4,483,810
Others 904,401
Total 14,141,999

Based on that, let's subtract California's votes from the nationwide
totals. Then we get:

Nationwide without CA:
Clinton 57,090,822
Trump 58,495,826
Others 6,899,812
Total 122,486,460

Trump's theoretical popular-vote margin in a United States without
California would thus have been indeed 1.4 million.

Garrison's unidentified critique source said:

> But that's not how it works. And -- as he has said many time -- if Donald
> Trump was campaigning for the popular vote, rather than the electoral vote,
> he would have campaigned much differently.

I don't think any amount of campaigning in California would have gotten
him anywhere near half of that 4.3 million vote shortfall. FWIW, the
existing vote split mirrors party-preference registration in the state,
pretty much exactly.

And New York state knows Trump far too well to think he's a credible
candidate for national office, which is basically why he crashed and
burned in that state's tallies.

> The purpose of the Electoral College is to prevent regional candidates
> from dominating national elections...

I'm not sure Garrison's unidentified source is really arguing this
point, because the remainder of the piece appears to undermine it, so
maybe this was supposed to ba part of what the Federalist Papers
clickbait article said?

But let's address it directly.

The _original_ purpose of the Electoral College was partly to give slave
states a thumb on the scales (3/5ths Compromise), but mostly to work
around the practical impossibility of a national election across
thirteen 18th Century ex-colonies with 18th Century transportation and
communication -- and also frankly as a gesture of extreme doubt about
the wisdom of democracy at all, which was quite understandable given
their situation in 1787.

For well over a century, it's had no purpose except to introduce
weirdly random effects on the presidential election. Before the 2000s,
there was a long period when those weird effects happen not to have
manifested, so people forgot about the potential, but it was always
there.

Neither Clinton nor Trump in any way qualifies as a 'regional
candidate', having broad support across the country albeit with
interesting lumpiness. A 'regional candidate' would be someone like
Evan McMullin. And, here's the thing, Garrison: Nothing about the
Electoral College guarantees that candidates with popularity in big
liberal-leaning states like California and New York cannot dominate the
election. It all depends on how accidental state alliances fall. E.g.,
I pointed out that if the 11 most urban states all pick the same
candidate, that candidate wins in the Electoral College.

Here's a scenario where 'regional candidate' Evan McMullin could have
been handed the Presidency _by_ the Electoral College:

Step 1. 37 or more electors pledged to Trump/Pence, in a fit of buyer's
remorse, cast their Pres. votes for someone (anyone) else, depriving him
of 270. Meanwhile, at least enough electors pledge to either or both
slate vote to ensure that McMullin gets the third-highest number of
clectoral votes for Pres.

Step 2. Congress meets on Jan. 6th, and the House of Representatives
holds a 'contingent election' per the Twelfth Amendment to pick the
President from among the three top vote-getters. Each state has one
vote per round, and 26 votes are required to win. If the House followed
the example of the only other time this happened, it would meet in
closed session, and only states for whom a majority of the delegation
agree would be permitted to cast that state's vote. They could easily
decide to jettison both major party candidates and pick McMullin, and
nobody outside the House chamber would even have a firm idea of which
26 or more states opted for the ex-spook from Utah.

This is only the beginning of the weirdness the Electoral College (not
to mention the 12th Amendment 'contingent election' fallback) could and
may in the future bring about.

Anyway, no real point arguing about the stupidity of the Electoral
College system and its Twelfth Amendment fallback. For reasons of
practical politics, as I pointed out separately, we're stuck with them
for the foreseeable future.


> There is some validity to pointing out that the 2016 election is an
> exemplar of a modern trend that generally sees Democratic candidates
> tending to receive large numbers of votes from densely-populated
> metropolitan areas in states such as New York and California, while
> Republican candidates tend to collect votes from geographically larger but
> less populated portions of the country -- one of the main factors behind
> this election's disparity between the popular vote (which Clinton won) and
> the electoral vote that actually decides the election (which Trump won).
> This phenomenon could be viewed as a positive, that our electoral system
> requires winning presidential candidates to have broad national support and
> not just rack up huge margins in a relatively small number of
> high-population centers. On the other hand, some argue that our government
> should represent people and not geography, and therefore the location of
> voters should be irrelevant.

Yes, it's a legitimate question, and not an easy one, about how to
appropriately balance interests.

One thing the unidentified source misses is something else I've
mentioned before, the additionally distortive effect of the
Apportionment Act of 1911
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apportionment_Act_of_1911), which still
applies today.

In order to implement the effect of the decennial census on each state's
number of House of Representatives members, Congress needed to approve
an algorithm to convert the raw census numbers into seat counts, and
it's gone through several such algorithms. One of the issues is what to
do about fractional seats. The 1911 revision rounds them _up_.

The effect of this change has been to put a small but significant thumb
on the scale for small and less-populated states, making the votes of
their residents count more than they should.

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  1. 2016-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] FYI for Brooklynites and others
  2. 2016-12-01 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Patrolling the Dark Net,
  3. 2016-12-03 Asher Elbein <aelbein-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [dinosaur] Regarding Art Theft
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  5. 2016-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Witner Labs
  6. 2016-12-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] the city for the people and by the people
  7. 2016-12-03 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] HIMSS17 Early Bird Registration Deadline is
  8. 2016-12-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Nice lecture on Quantum Mechanics
  9. 2016-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Tomorrow's Webinar - No Downtime Data
  10. 2016-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] http://www.lazarus-ide.org/
  11. 2016-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [LIU Comp Sci] Nice possible project for NYLXS
  12. 2016-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Oh Look a real website
  13. 2016-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] information access, copyright wars and DRM
  14. 2016-12-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] More retarded news from the city that wants to push
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  17. 2016-12-05 From: "Rijksmuseum" <rijksstudio-at-news.rijksmuseum.nl> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Glorious food in Rijksstudio
  18. 2016-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Learn] png data format
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  25. 2016-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [png-mng-implement] 4 byte length storage
  26. 2016-12-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Learn] png data format
  27. 2016-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Learn] png data format
  28. 2016-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [luny-talk] Humble Bundle O'Reilly UNIX
  29. 2016-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Every face is tracked. Every footfall was
  30. 2016-12-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] JT's words
  31. 2016-12-06 James E Keenan <jkeen-at-verizon.net> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The ny.pm talks I'd like to hear
  32. 2016-12-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Islam s fine
  33. 2016-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Kindly Share the Free Journal
  34. 2016-12-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] good Shabbos All
  35. 2016-12-10 ruben safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Michael Kingsley and the Fascist in Office
  36. 2016-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] slow Vietnam like creep into Syrian civil war
  37. 2016-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] C++ returning lvalue references and pointers and
  38. 2016-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] a real live dinosaur tail found in the flesh
  39. 2016-12-10 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the Week
  40. 2016-12-10 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Michael Kingsley and the Fascist in Office
  41. 2016-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] I knew as soon as I learned about dark matter that
  42. 2016-12-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend
  43. 2016-12-11 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend
  44. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friendII
  45. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend III
  46. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend IV
  47. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend V
  48. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  49. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  50. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VII
  51. 2016-12-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  52. 2016-12-11 Rick Tanner <leaf-at-real-time.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [crossfire] Crossfire wiki offline for maintenance
  53. 2016-12-12 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #281 - The holidays are upon us!
  54. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  55. 2016-12-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  56. 2016-12-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Minoan history
  57. 2016-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Death of the Sea Saw
  58. 2016-12-12 Nawaz Nazeer Ahamed <nawaz.nazeer.ahamed-at-oracle.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] MySQL Community Server 5.6.35 has been released
  59. 2016-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] C++ Threads Workshop
  60. 2016-12-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Summer Jobs
  61. 2016-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  62. 2016-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Re: [dinosaur] Ceratopsid (Centrosaurinae:
  63. 2016-12-13 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] goldfinch
  64. 2016-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Apollo Moon Shot Photography
  65. 2016-12-14 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] For Ruben ( + those in NYC Metro ) : Holiday Social
  66. 2016-12-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  67. 2016-12-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  68. 2016-12-14 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Apollo Moon Shot Photography
  69. 2016-12-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  70. 2016-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Your Santa Imam is here
  71. 2016-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  72. 2016-12-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] islam is your friend VI
  73. 2016-12-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Barak and Jerry Show
  74. 2016-12-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Michael Kingsley and the Fascist in Office
  75. 2016-12-15 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <mat-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Join the MAT Program Class of 2017
  76. 2016-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] this story is 5 years late on drug prices
  77. 2016-12-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Attacks at Cornel
  78. 2016-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  79. 2016-12-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  80. 2016-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the Week! Hello BOB!!
  81. 2016-12-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] anyone want to see Star Wars tonight?
  82. 2016-12-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  83. 2016-12-16 From: "APhA's Pharmacy Today" <PTdaily-at-aphanet.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] December 16,
  84. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  85. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  86. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  87. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  88. 2016-12-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  89. 2016-12-18 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  90. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Look C++ is a functional programming language
  91. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  92. 2016-12-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  93. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  94. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  95. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  96. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  97. 2016-12-19 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  98. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  99. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  100. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] another offbeat distro
  101. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  102. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] systemd critique et al
  103. 2016-12-19 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  104. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  105. 2016-12-19 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try
  106. 2016-12-19 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #282 - The White Camels are roaming
  107. 2016-12-19 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  108. 2016-12-19 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  109. 2016-12-19 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
  110. 2016-12-19 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
  111. 2016-12-19 ISOC-NY announcements <announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [isoc-ny] JOB: Telecommunications Policy Specialist
  112. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  113. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  114. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the issues with SystemD: why are they doing
  115. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] NYLXS Textbook Section
  116. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] NYLXS Textbook Section
  117. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  118. 2016-12-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Distros to try: Please explain what the
  119. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] NYLXS Textbook Section
  120. 2016-12-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Workshops -at- ACM/SPEC ICPE 2017 - Call for
  121. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] wow - just got an email from Ruth
  122. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  123. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  124. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  125. 2016-12-20 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  126. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  127. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  128. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Ocean Parkway Protest!!
  129. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The ever growing police state
  130. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your right
  131. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] F'ing Mouse Pad
  132. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  133. 2016-12-20 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] BHI'17 Registration Now Open!
  134. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your
  135. 2016-12-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  136. 2016-12-20 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  137. 2016-12-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  138. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your
  139. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  140. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The fascinating case of Bernie Goetz
  141. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  142. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The fascinating case of Bernie Goetz
  143. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  144. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The fascinating case of Bernie Goetz
  145. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Serious danger to state sovereignty and your
  146. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Thank god he is dead
  147. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Brooklyn Principal Shot to Death While Looking for
  148. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Marla Hanson recalls her nightmare
  149. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Official crime numbers in Kings County
  150. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] I'm sure it's a coincidence, part n+1
  151. 2016-12-21 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] LIU Brooklyn Campus Safety
  152. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] LIU Brooklyn Campus Safety
  153. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas
  154. 2016-12-21 From: "Amy at NTEN" <amy-at-nten.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] NTEN Connect: The Best NPTech Stories of 2016,
  155. 2016-12-21 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] 2017 ISBI Call for Abstracts- Submission Deadline
  156. 2016-12-21 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  157. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  158. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Marnchester by the Sea
  159. 2016-12-21 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  160. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  161. 2016-12-21 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas
  162. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  163. 2016-12-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT
  164. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] the sorry state of this country and its bizarre
  165. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas: Yeah but
  166. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] sorry state this country,
  167. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT | | Yeah,
  168. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] sorry state this country,
  169. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Shelter Cove- which one ? There are two- one in
  170. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Shelter Cove- which one ? There are two- one in
  171. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  172. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  173. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  174. 2016-12-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  175. 2016-12-22 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] We were talking about how you could transport
  176. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] And be aware you were an unexcused no-show
  177. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Shelter Cove- which one ? There are two- one in
  178. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] This Mayor is an IDIOT | | Yeah,
  179. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] sorry state this country,
  180. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] What California gets for Christmas: Yeah but
  181. 2016-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Homeless have taken over 34th street
  182. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the sorry state of this country and its bizarre
  183. 2016-12-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] the sorry state of this country and its bizarre
  184. 2016-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] HOPL (History of Programming Languages)
  185. 2016-12-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Tiny Compiler in many languages at
  186. 2016-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Chag Simaach
  187. 2016-12-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] jobs
  188. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Sanders and Socialism
  189. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Free Speach
  190. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Google and C++
  191. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Conflicts of Interest
  192. 2016-12-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Syria wished you a Merry Christmas
  193. 2016-12-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Light even in the darkness
  194. 2016-12-25 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Syria wished you a Merry Christmas
  195. 2016-12-26 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #283 - Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah
  196. 2016-12-26 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #283 - Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah
  197. 2016-12-27 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Israel band, Iran Good
  198. 2016-12-27 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Israel band, Iran Good
  199. 2016-12-27 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] International criminals, every jew
  200. 2016-12-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] she's gone
  201. 2016-12-27 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] International criminals, every jew
  202. 2016-12-28 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] International criminals, every jew
  203. 2016-12-28 mrbrklyn <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] can't find the damn ball anywhere here
  204. 2016-12-28 From: "Pharmacy Times" <enews-at-pharmacytimes.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Xtampza(R) ER (oxycodone) Product Bulletin
  205. 2016-12-29 From: "Ruben.Safir" <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Police State gets one step closer

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