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DATE 2017-02-11
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] vim and the free software world
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/24/boring_vim_beats_exciting_browsers/

Oh, the things Vim could teach Silicon Valley's code slingers
25 years, eight updates, all gravy
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24 Jan 2017 at 11:04, Scott Gilbertson

Open Source Insider Vim text editor turned 25 late last year – the first
public iteration was launched on November 2, 1991, a couple of weeks
after Linus Torvalds announced Linux. To celebrate Vim's anniversary,
creator Bram Moolenaar recently dropped version 8.0.

Ordinarily the update of a text editor wouldn't be worth mentioning, but
this is the first major Vim release in ten years. In today's world,
where web browsers drop major point updates (what they consider major,
anyway) several times a year, Vim's lack of major updates is not just
refreshing, but speaks of an entirely different approach to developing
software.

Even leaving aside the absurd version system of today's web browsers,
eight releases in 25 years would be considered slow by today's software
development standards. Interestingly, though, Vim's biggest rival, GNU
Emacs, has a roughly similar development pace. GNU Emacs began life in
the 1970s and is currently at version 25, which means it averages two
releases to Vim's one, but still definitely on the slow side.

Yet Vim and Emacs taken together may well be the most used software in
the software developer's toolkit.

As a long-time Vim user (since 2005 or so), Vim's lack of updates may
well be my favourite feature. Vim is Vim. It does what I need it to do
and it doesn't try to completely reinvent itself every six months. In
fact, I had been using version eight for several weeks without even
realising it, which at this point is pretty close to my definition of
great software – if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Contrast this with your favourite web browser, which pushes out updates
every six weeks. I don't even need to know what your favourite browser
is to make this generalisation because they all do it. Now some of this
frantic update pace can be attributed to the fact that the browser is a
newer idea, there are more bugs to work out. That sounds good. Until you
think about what Vim, and even more so Emacs, is capable of, which
includes, in Emacs' case, being able to render HTML using WebKit.

So much of software development these days feels like reinventing the
wheel for the sake of it. I recently took on a new client with a
codebase written in Symfony 1.0, which is old enough that I had to use
Archive.org just to find an overview of it. And I'll admit my first
instinct was to rewrite the code in something more modern. But then I
stopped myself and stepped back and looked at the actual code. Is there
anything wrong with it? Well, in a couple of places yes, but by and
large, no. It works. It does what the client wants to do well enough
that they want me to port it to another part of their business. It ain't
broke, why am I trying to fix it? I put down the shiny new stuff and got
back to work.

The desire for the latest and greatest is a mental trap we all fall into
to some degree. New ideas come along and in many cases they're good
ideas, better than what was there before. To stick with Vim as an
example, version eight does have a bunch of cool new stuff, like support
for asynchronous I/O, channels, JSON, jobs, timers and GTK+ 3 among
other things. None of that is immediately, obviously useful on its own,
but all of which opens the door for some new and potentially very
powerful Vim extensions.

There's nothing wrong with helpful new features, but too often those
helpful new features come with a price. They require relearning how to
do things that you did reliably the day before. And even the most
helpful features cease to be helpful if they require me to completely
change my existing workflow. Vim 8 was a totally transparent update. It
didn't require me to learn some new way of working, it didn't completely
break extensions I rely on just so it could round off some corners in
the UI (OK, Vim doesn't really have a UI, but if it did I feel pretty
confident that it wouldn't waste time rounding corners on tabs, cough,
Firefox).

A common defence of the rapid release cycles common in today's software,
graphical and otherwise, is that things must progress. To not progress
is to deny ourselves the birthright of, uh, progress?

Stagnation is the equivalent of death apparently, which is as much a
cultural value as one of the software produced by that culture, but
either way it might be worth remembering that there is something else
that pursues growth at all costs, dividing over and over again in a
ceaseless headlong rush – cancer cells.

The more time I spend meditating on this analogy the more accurate it
feels. To be clear, I am not talking about security updates. Security
updates improve software and are a good thing. What I'm talking about
are the needless UI rewrites that don't actually do anything for users
(web browsers seem to be the most egregious example of this), the
development frameworks that reinvent themselves with every point update,
or the latest trend: abstractions that promise to simplify everything
but end up increasing the complexity of everything.

To pick what I think is the most absurd example of this trend, look at
CSS, an incredibly simple syntax for styling web pages. But, no, it
turns out that CSS is too complex, so we get Sass. But then Sass doesn't
quite do what we want so we get Compass and now what used to be
something so simple few would call it programming requires two
interdependent frameworks, Ruby and half a dozen Gems to output CSS we
could have just written in Vim.

Then there's the insanity of deployment. Deployment tool chains are the
most aggressive cancer around right now. All to save you from being a
complete Philistine who just pushes and pulls to a git repo, or,
Festivus help you, uploads files over scp.

Alas, I don't expect things to change from their current course. If
anything the future looks to be full of more abstractions, more
pointless UI rewrites, more frameworks that break backwards
compatibility, and more cancer-like growth. Which is why Vim is so
important.

At least our text editors will still be there, stalwart unchanging
places to reliably weather the storm. Thanks, Vim, I quite literally
could not do what I do without you. Happy 25th birthday and here's to
another ten years before Vim 9 rolls around. ®
Tips and corrections


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  93. 2017-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Robotics
  94. 2017-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Researchers use artificial neural network to
  95. 2017-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] power grids in peril
  96. 2017-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] New Neuronet theory
  97. 2017-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Linguistics
  98. 2017-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Guess this painting!!
  99. 2017-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] lions and tigers and snow leopards
  100. 2017-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Movie of the Week
  101. 2017-02-10 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Microsofts new stratergy to beat linux | | I
  102. 2017-02-12 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] anyone know what is this
  103. 2017-02-12 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] anyone know what is this
  104. 2017-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] fellowship positition
  105. 2017-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget
  106. 2017-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Trump Economics and Lou Costello teaches about a
  107. 2017-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Guess this painting!!
  108. 2017-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Name the artist and the work..
  109. 2017-02-13 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #290 - Interview at FOSDEM
  110. 2017-02-01 Dirk Jagdmann <doj-at-cubic.org> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Passing encrypted base64 encoded value via href
  111. 2017-02-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Guess this painting!!
  112. 2017-02-13 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Guess this painting!!
  113. 2017-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Guess this painting!!
  114. 2017-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Guess this painting!!
  115. 2017-02-13 ISOC-NY announcements <announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS]
  116. 2017-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Patent Trolls Delux
  117. 2017-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Microsofts new stratergy to beat linux | | I
  118. 2017-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [isoc-ny] Fwd: EVENT TONIGHT: The Internet of
  119. 2017-02-13 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [isoc-ny] Fwd: EVENT TONIGHT: The Internet
  120. 2017-02-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [isoc-ny] Fwd: EVENT TONIGHT: The Internet
  121. 2017-02-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Guess this painting!!
  122. 2017-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Geological floods
  123. 2017-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Amature Radio
  124. 2017-02-13 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Amature Radio
  125. 2017-02-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Artificial Intelligence Gets Aggressive Without
  126. 2017-02-14 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Geological floods
  127. 2017-02-14 From: "American Museum of Natural History" <mat-at-amnh.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Tomorrow Is The Last Day for MAT Applications
  128. 2017-02-14 From: "IEEE The Institute"<tialert-at-ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The Institute Online: Can Amazon's Echo Device Help
  129. 2017-02-14 Charlotte Danes <charlotted-at-schoolingadvisor.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] NYLXS - The Free Software Institute
  130. 2017-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Just a reminder
  131. 2017-02-15 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] EMBC Paper Submission DEADLINE is
  132. 2017-02-15 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget
  133. 2017-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget
  134. 2017-02-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget
  135. 2017-02-16 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] chew on this
  136. 2017-02-16 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Next Picute
  137. 2017-02-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Next Picture
  138. 2017-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget
  139. 2017-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget
  140. 2017-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Next Picture
  141. 2017-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: Sherry
  142. 2017-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Name the Artist and the Work
  143. 2017-02-16 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget: | | it was not wasted !
  144. 2017-02-16 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget: | | RS: I thought you were an OpenSuse
  145. 2017-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget: | | RS: I thought you were an OpenSuse
  146. 2017-02-16 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget: | | RS: . Audience was about 70% male (
  147. 2017-02-16 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Next Picture
  148. 2017-02-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Next Picture
  149. 2017-02-16 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] Next Picture
  150. 2017-02-16 ISOC-NY announcements <announce-at-lists.isoc-ny.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [isoc-ny] WEBCAST TONIGHT: The Future of Digital
  151. 2017-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Living with NASA
  152. 2017-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The MTA is so fucked up
  153. 2017-02-17 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] The MTA is so f****d up | | Join the MTA and
  154. 2017-02-17 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Fwd: [isoc-ny] WEBCAST TONIGHT: The Future of
  155. 2017-02-17 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] aptget: | | it was not wasted !
  156. 2017-02-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] (forw) QA & Tech Support Engineer (NYC)
  157. 2017-02-20 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Duplicity (2009 film)
  158. 2017-02-20 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #291 - FOSDEM videos
  159. 2017-02-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] movie of the week
  160. 2017-02-21 ruben <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] technologywith fossils
  161. 2017-02-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] exo-planets
  162. 2017-02-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] in other news
  163. 2017-02-22 Nicholas Rodin <nikbbwil-at-icloud.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] in other news
  164. 2017-02-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] in other news
  165. 2017-02-22 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] in other news
  166. 2017-02-22 James E Keenan <jkeen-at-verizon.net> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] February social meeting
  167. 2017-02-23 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] | | | Nick: You cannot be removed without
  168. 2017-02-23 Nicholas Rodin <nikbbwil-at-icloud.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] | | | Nick: You cannot be removed without
  169. 2017-02-23 From: "Mancini, Sabin (DFS)" <Sabin.Mancini-at-dfs.ny.gov> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] | | | Nick: I get way TOO many emails TO both
  170. 2017-02-23 Nicholas Rodin <nikbbwil-at-icloud.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] | | | Nick: I get way TOO many emails TO both
  171. 2017-02-23 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] | | | Nick: I get way TOO many emails TO both
  172. 2017-02-23 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] | | | Nick: I get way TOO many emails TO both
  173. 2017-02-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] decision making tree for a euler walk
  174. 2017-02-24 IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Society <noreply-at-embs.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Your EMB Weekly Newsletter is HERE!!!!
  175. 2017-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] Peer Review
  176. 2017-02-27 James E Keenan <jkeen-at-verizon.net> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] February social meeting + upcoming
  177. 2017-02-28 From: "IEEE The Institute"<tialert-at-ieee.org> Subject: [Hangout-NYLXS] The Institute Online: Straight Out of Sci-Fi,
  178. 2017-02-28 Don Brinkman <Don.Brinkman-at-gov.ab.ca> Re: [Hangout-NYLXS] visit

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