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DATE 2022-01-11
FROM Ruben Safir
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On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:14:34AM +1100, raf wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 01:20:49PM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 06, 2022 at 02:09:45PM +1100, raf wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 05, 2022 at 04:10:26AM -0500, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > /etc/postfix/main.cf:
> > > > > > > smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
> > > > > > > smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can't this be done with tls withouth dovecot or sasl?
> > > > >
> > > > > Authentication is needed by Dovecot for IMAP access
> > > > > to read email. So it should be available for use by
> > > > > Postfix as well.
> > > > >
> >
> > It is not working anyway. The reason is that
> >
> > A) It won't relay
> > B) The IP addresses are mmarked in spamhoause as not valid for email
> > service
> >
> > Outbound Email policy of Cablevision/OptimumOnline for this IP range
> >
> > (Jan 2007) Email sent from this IP block via port 25 (SMTP) should only
> > be sent via the designated outbound mail server for Optimum Online
> > customers: mail.optimum.net The use of port 25 is obsolete, you should
> > use port 465/TLS (SMTPS) or port 587 (SMTP-Submit /w STARTTLS) to send
> > mail, whether you are using Optimum's server or a third-party ISP's
> > server.
> >
> > See OOL's support site at
> > http://optimum.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/optimum.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=39
> >
> > Standard-tier OOL customers are blocked from sending/receiving mail via
> > port 25 (SMTP) to any other servers since 2004. See OOL support site:
> > http://optimum.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/optimum.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=876
> >
> > You may send mail via another ISP by using SMTP-Submit (port 587) or
> > SMTPS (port 465/TLS) service, if your third-party ISP's mail server
> > supports this service.
> >
> > It is hiting on port 587 so I don't know a way around this that is
> > satisfactory. it is BS and annoying
> > http://optimum.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/optimum.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=876http://optimum.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/optimum.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=876
>
> The above sounds very different to what I thought you
> were talking about. I thought you were saying that
> *your* Postfix server wasn't relaying email for your
> users, and that some form of user authentication
> (Dovecot SASL or TLS client certificates) was needed
> locally to be able to allow relaying *by* your Postfix
> server.
>

That is right. When I initially set it up I set it up so it would not
be an open rely outside my local network. Now I am trying to send and
recieve from an outside client.


> The above sounds like your problem is that your Postfix
> server needs to send all outgoing mail via a specific
> *remote* mail server (Cablevision/OptimumOnline), and
> that *it* won't relay your email unless your Postfix
> server authenticates itself to that remote server, so
> that that remote server will be willing to relay mail
> that comes out of your Postfix server. That's a very
> different problem.
>


Not at all. This was just triggered when I tried to send email from the
remote client. spamhause didn't like it, despite the fact that it was
tickling 587 for submition (and then relay). I sort of fixed that by
telling spamhause they the ip block is OK (even though it is dynamic al
likely to change). It still won't relay though, and I dread having to
open the relay.

> If that's the case, your Postfix doesn't need access to
> Dovecot's SASL abilities, or to TLS client certificates.
> It just needs to connect to the remote mail server in
> the way that that server requires, by sypplying a username
> and password to it.
>

I haven't yet put in the dovecot authentication yet, but it looks like I will need to.
I am not sure it will relay even if I do though.

I wish there was a howto on this. There are a lot of sasl options

I decided since I am doing all this to update both postfix and dovecot
from source. This is a stand alone device and I really do not feel like
having to upgrade the entire OS for is microsystem and there are no
upgrade packages.

this is a lot of sasl options:

www2:~ # grep sasl /etc/postfix/*
/etc/postfix/main.cf:smtp_sasl_auth_enable = no
/etc/postfix/main.cf:smtp_sasl_security_options =
/etc/postfix/main.cf:smtp_sasl_password_maps =
/etc/postfix/main.cf:smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = no
/etc/postfix/main.cf.rpmnew:#smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot

(I pray that this will be produced by ./configure and I won't need to do
this all by hand).


/etc/postfix/makedefs.out:SYSLIBS = -lldap -llber -lpcre -lsasl2
-lssl -lcrypto -ldb -lnsl -lresolv
/etc/postfix/makedefs.out:CC = gcc $(WARN) -I. -I../../include
-DHAS_LDAP -DHAS_PCRE -DUSE_SASL_AUTH -I/usr/include/sasl
-DMAX_DYNAMIC_MAPS -DHAS_MYSQL -I/usr/include/mysql -DHAS_PGSQL
-I/usr/include/pgsql -DUSE_CYRUS_SASL -DUSE_TLS -fomit-frame-pointer
-fmessage-length=0 -grecord-gcc-switches -O2 -Wall -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2
-fstack-protector -funwind-tables -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -g
-Wno-comments
/etc/postfix/makedefs.out:EXPORT = AUXLIBS='-lldap -llber -lpcre
-lsasl2 -lssl -lcrypto' CCARGS='-I. -I../../include -DHAS_LDAP
-DHAS_PCRE -DUSE_SASL_AUTH -I/usr/include/sasl -DMAX_DYNAMIC_MAPS
-DHAS_MYSQL -I/usr/include/mysql -DHAS_PGSQL -I/usr/include/pgsql
-DUSE_CYRUS_SASL -DUSE_TLS -fomit-frame-pointer -fmessage-length=0
-grecord-gcc-switches -O2 -Wall -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fstack-protector
-funwind-tables -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -g -Wno-comments' OPT='-O'
DEBUG=''
/etc/postfix/master.cf:# -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
/etc/postfix/master.cf:# -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
/etc/postfix/master.cf:# -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
/etc/postfix/master.cf:# -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
/etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew:# -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
/etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew:# -o
smtpd_relay_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject
/etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew:# -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
/etc/postfix/master.cf.rpmnew:# -o
smtpd_relay_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject
/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd:# sasl_passwd
grep: /etc/postfix/system: Is a directory
grep: /etc/postfix/tls: Is a directory


>
> P.S. The URLs above are inaccessible. Perhaps they only
> exist for their customers. The optimum.custhelp.com
> domain doesn't even resolve to an address for me.


Yeah - I noticed that...

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  46. 2022-01-17 Luis Falcon <falcon-at-gnuhealth.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Health] desktop and metainfo files
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  48. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  49. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  50. 2022-01-18 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  51. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  52. 2022-01-18 Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar-at-fantomas.sk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  53. 2022-01-18 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  54. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  55. 2022-01-18 Chris Green <cl-at-isbd.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding a second line to .forward,
  56. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  57. 2022-01-18 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  58. 2022-01-12 Bill Cole <postfixlists-070913-at-billmail.scconsult.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  59. 2022-01-18 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding a second line to .forward,
  60. 2022-01-12 Bill Cole <postfixlists-070913-at-billmail.scconsult.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  61. 2022-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  62. 2022-01-12 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  63. 2022-01-12 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  64. 2022-01-11 raf <postfix-at-raf.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  65. 2022-01-11 Phil Biggs <mb170712-at-pjb.cc> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Virtual users with postfix and dovecot
  66. 2022-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  67. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  68. 2022-01-18 Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar-at-fantomas.sk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  69. 2022-01-18 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  70. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  71. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  72. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  73. 2022-01-18 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  74. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  75. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  76. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  77. 2022-01-18 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  78. 2022-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  79. 2022-01-12 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  80. 2022-01-11 Bill Cole <postfixlists-070913-at-billmail.scconsult.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  81. 2022-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  82. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  83. 2022-01-18 Chris Green <cl-at-isbd.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding a second line to .forward,
  84. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  85. 2022-01-18 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  86. 2022-01-11 Phil Biggs <mb170712-at-pjb.cc> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Virtual users with postfix and dovecot
  87. 2022-01-18 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  88. 2022-01-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  89. 2022-01-18 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding a second line to .forward,
  90. 2022-01-12 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  91. 2022-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  92. 2022-01-12 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  93. 2022-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  94. 2022-01-06 Viktor Dukhovni <postfix-users-at-dukhovni.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  95. 2022-01-11 raf <postfix-at-raf.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  96. 2022-01-06 raf <postfix-at-raf.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  97. 2022-01-05 raf <postfix-at-raf.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  98. 2022-01-05 Viktor Dukhovni <postfix-users-at-dukhovni.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  99. 2022-01-05 Viktor Dukhovni <postfix-users-at-dukhovni.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  100. 2022-01-12 Bill Cole <postfixlists-070913-at-billmail.scconsult.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  101. 2022-01-12 Bill Cole <postfixlists-070913-at-billmail.scconsult.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  102. 2022-01-11 Bill Cole <postfixlists-070913-at-billmail.scconsult.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  103. 2022-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  104. 2022-01-12 Wietse Venema <wietse-at-porcupine.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  105. 2022-01-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  106. 2022-01-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  107. 2022-01-18 Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar-at-fantomas.sk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  108. 2022-01-18 From: "Joe Acquisto-j4" <joea-at-j4computers.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] SASL questions
  109. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Adding Additional domains and outgoing email
  110. 2022-01-18 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: SASL questions
  111. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] (fwd) de Blasio ruined New York City
  112. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Check this out. It doesn
  113. 2022-01-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chofitz Chaim Auction needs some help...
  114. 2022-01-18 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] FSF expands process for associate members to
  115. 2022-01-19 Rick Moen <rick-at-linuxmafia.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Check this out. It doesn
  116. 2022-01-20 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Check this out. It doesn
  117. 2022-01-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Check this out. It doesn
  118. 2022-01-19 From: "Free Software Foundation" <info-at-fsf.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] New year,
  119. 2022-01-24 G?bor Szab? <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #548 - Perl Books Collection
  120. 2022-01-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The suppresion of desenting scientific opinions
  121. 2022-01-26 From: "Pat Schloss" <pschloss-at-umich.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [mothur] mothur v.1.47.0 release
  122. 2022-01-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] security and Free Software in the WSJ - eh
  123. 2022-01-29 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] New Zealand Lockdown
  124. 2022-01-30 Steve Hay <stevehay-at-apache.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ANNOUNCE] mod_perl-2.0.12

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