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MESSAGE
DATE 2008-01-06
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: Re: WE MET AT BK MUSEUM!**]
----- Forwarded message from Ruben Safir -----

Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:14:52 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: April Centrone
Cc: Ruben Safir
Subject: Re: WE MET AT BK MUSEUM!**
In-Reply-To:
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i

On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 08:20:33PM -0500, April Centrone wrote:
> If it is world music school (stressing the point of *music), *it will not be
> limited to Arabic or middle eastern music. If any culture is to be taught,
> similarly it would not be limited to one area of the world.
>
> As far as a PhD, it is too bad that Bassam didnt go ahead to Rome for his
> PhD like he almost planned to! nevertheless, he and many others carry
> Masters degrees from respectable institutions (he from the prestigious
> Gnessin Institute of Moscow), and there are a handful of musicians who carry
> PhDs.. most currently teach at universities like columbia and NYU.
>
> To be absolutely clear, all existing Arabic music organizations, like this
> Arabic Orchestra, Alwan for the Arts, etc, are solely about artistic
> education and do not espouse views as you have mentioned. In all the Arabic
> music events I encountered, the most political of them supported peace. The
> organizations I am involved with are purely about music, and openly welcome
> jews and israelis. Many students of Arabic music are of jewish or israeli
> decent.. and certainly most of Bassam's students.

http://aviva.mrbrklyn.com/images/museum_01_08/dsc00751.jpg
http://aviva.mrbrklyn.com/images/museum_01_08/dsc00746.jpg
http://aviva.mrbrklyn.com/images/museum_01_08/mov00726.avi

Anyone can be the PhD of an school. They have certain subscribed responsiblities

http://www.highered.nysed.gov/bpss/revisedlaw.htm#S5001


>
> I am aware that a school for only middle eastern music would have to go
> through more checkpoints regardless. However, an institute teaching music of
> the *world* will not be under question.
>
>
> On 1/6/08, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 07:30:07PM -0500, April Centrone wrote:
> > > Hey Rubin..
> > > If it were somehow possible to start an ongoing Arabic/middle eastern
> > music
> > > school.. or a world music school!.. that would be wonderful! And there
> > are
> > > many teachers in New York ready to be a part of this. I've been in this
> > > world music community for a long time here in new york, and I can tell
> > you,
> > > a world music, or even middle eastern music school, would be hugely
> > > successful.
> > > April
> > >
> >
> > Schools are regulated by the Department of Education and require, among
> > other
> > things, somone with a PhD to oversee the school. This has always been a
> > monumental
> > problem for NYLXS.
> >
> > The other thing, and this really stresses me out, is that middle east
> > politics, especially
> > anything that smatters of anti-semitism, and there is a lot of it in
> > Arabic culture, has to
> > be vigilantly guarded against. People are willing to be open to an
> > exchange of culture, music
> > literature, storytellingand ideas, but anything rambling on "colonialist"
> > Jews "invading"
> > Palestine is going to go over like a lead balloon and imediately prevent
> > progress in promoting
> > this thing, aside from the fact that it personally turns my stomach after
> > having my own
> > family slaughtered by Arab racists in Hebron, over 300 members of the
> > family, in the 1860's
> > (not to mention the 1820's prior to that).
> >
> > One of your friends moved back to "Northern Palestine" rather than Norther
> > Israel. Thats
> > not going to be found acceptable and it will cast a shadow over the entire
> > project.
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> > >
> > > On 1/6/08, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 12:06:33PM -0500, April Centrone wrote:
> > > > > Hey Ruben..
> > > > > How was that subject line? I suppose since you are reading this now,
> > I
> > > > > successfully caught your attention. :)
> > > > > So.. since you can only check so many emails, I will attempt to pack
> > > > this
> > > > > one as much as possible..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks April
> > > >
> > > > I just got this and I've done a little research, and I'll see what I
> > can
> > > > get done
> > > > for you. PR is the hardest thing with any non-profit work, but in
> > > > addition
> > > > to that, I'm sure you want to get paid as well ;)
> > > >
> > > > Are you trying to start a music school as well?
> > > >
> > > > Ruben
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's actually rare that I play locally, but I happen to have two
> > > > important
> > > > > shows coming up soon..
> > > > >
> > > > > *Friday, Jan 11, 9:30pm - The Bassam Saba Ensemble -at- Sullivan Hall*
> > > > > I am playing percussion. Bassam Saba plays oud, ney and western
> > flute,
> > > > and
> > > > > we are accompanied by contrabass, cello and violin. This is an APAP
> > > > event.
> > > > > The doors are open at 8 and the show goes until almost midnight if
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > > looking for a night out. The other acts are big pop stars of the
> > middle
> > > > > east, north african and south asia. All the information is here..
> > > > > www.sullivanhallnyc.com
> > > > >
> > > > > *Saturday, Jan 26, 9pm - The New York Arabic Orchestra -at- Alwan (16
> > > > Beaver
> > > > > St, 4th FL)*
> > > > > Alwan is an excellent non-profit cultural center for the arts. They
> > > > always
> > > > > hold high quality events.
> > > > > The orchestra is conducted by Bassam Saba. He plays oud, ney and
> > violin
> > > > and
> > > > > we have a 15-member orchestra made up of violin, viola, cello, oud,
> > ney,
> > > > > contrabass, percussion and vocals.
> > > > > This orchestra is an important educational program as much as it is
> > a
> > > > > quality performance ensemble. In time it hopes to receive a grant or
> > > > > affiliate with a university. At the moment, members cover costs by
> > > > paying
> > > > > minimal tuition, but it is not for profit. All the information is
> > > > here:
> > > > > www.myspace.com/nyarabicorchestra
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I do appreciate you taking the time to review all of this material,
> > > > > including the websites. It could be a very fortunate happenstance
> > that
> > > > we
> > > > > met. I work very hard not only as a musician but as "unofficial"
> > > > manager,
> > > > > promoter and website designer. I even recorded and mixed/mastered my
> > > > group's
> > > > > music: www.myspace.com/bassamsaba I'm known to "make things happen."
> > > > Many
> > > > > more things could happen with the right partnership.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again for coming, and for the wonderful compliment. I really
> > > > > appreciate it. Please do stay in touch, and try as best you can to
> > come
> > > > to
> > > > > an event. It will be 100X more effective than an email!
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > April
> > > > >
> > > > > April Centrone
> > > > > www.myspace.com/aprilsoprano321
> > > >
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