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From: Ruben Safir
Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Ayan Hirsi Ali
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Those not familiar with Ms Ali needs to read her book, The Infadel.
You can also get this book on CD audio narrated by the author.
Ayan Hirsi Ali, if the world was right, would be a Nobelorate because
no one individual has done more to promote human rights, Freedom and
Democracy as does this true heroine. If you don't believe me, read
Here is a current article on her.
THE HAGUE, 09/01/08 - The politically-correct elite in the Netherlands
is no longer able to neutralise dissident views, according to Ayaan
Hirsi Ai. "A chasm between the elite and the people has really emerged,"
she said yesterday in an interview with De Volkskrant.
The Somali-born apostate of Islam, who left the Dutch parliament in
2006 and now lives in the US, signals that since the rise and fall of
politician Pim Fortuyn - murdered in 2002 - it is no longer taboo in
the Netherlands to be critical of immigrants. At the same time, this
criticism does not lead to a change in policy. And to try to halt this
criticism, even the monarchy is deployed by the elite, Hirsi Ali suggests.
"The Queen gave the impression in her Christmas speech of choosing
one side. This she should not do, she must remain above the
parties. (...) Calling for respect and tolerance is fine, but the
significance of these concepts in this debate is that people with a
different view should keep their mouths shut. But going back in time,
that is impossible."
"Today you are allowed to say that the majority of prisoners are
immigrants - that is simply so - and you can say that there are
Muslims who make use of their faith to hurt others." But the debate
leads to nothing. "In 2003, all the parties had their integration
plans. Practically nothing of this has been put into practice."
Hirsi Ali concludes that the elite is not succeeding in taking the
wind out of the sails of Party for Freedom (PVV) leader Geert Wilders
and independent MP Rita Verdonk, who scores strongly in the polls with
her new TON party. "Although Wilders and Verdonk are demonised there
has been no success in marginalising them. A chasm has really emerged
between the elite and the people. You see that the old elite wants to
exclude these dissident views. (...) But this does not succeed any more."
Hirsi Ali also criticises the call for more tolerance recently made by
a group around prominent Christian democrat (CDA) Doekle Terpstra via
an advertisement on the front page of Trouw newspaper. "I see in the
call (...) a certain desperation. They are on the defensive. They have
paralysed the immigration debate. Anyone who does not agree with them
they find intolerant and lacking in respect. (...) The majority of the
people however know how things really are. They are no longer dependent
on political parties or the newspapers; they just go on the Internet."
In 2004, Hirsi Ali made the short film Submission on the oppression of
women in Islam, which led to the terrorist murder of the director, Theo
van Gogh, two months after it was shown on TV. PVV leader Wilders now
wants to show an apparently comparable film in a few weeks. But Hirsi
Ali does not support Wilders, the interview suggests.
"The film (of Wilders) comes under freedom of speech. He can and may do
it," even if he is "of course provocative." (...) But "I do not believe
in his answers."
Hirsi Ali believes there is a need for someone like former conservative
(VVD) leader Frits Bolkestein, who put the problem of immigration and
Islam on the agenda at the start of the 1990s. "Verdonk and Wilders do
not have the right solutions for the Netherlands. It must come from
the big parties, but there is a lack of leadership there. (...) If a
Bolkestein should arise, the protest voters for Wilders will return to
the big parties."
Former VVD MP Hirsi Ali has lived for the past year and a half in the US,
where the Netherlands has refused to provide her protection any more. The
Dutch government has sought no contact with her at all in recent months,
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