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MESSAGE
DATE 2008-01-28
FROM From: "Ronny Abraham"
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Republican Endorsements and the facts
What you fear or do not fear is of course your own business. But here
are the facts.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

If you really have problems with the police, than I suggest you get
involved in police advocacy organizations to change the system from
the inside as opposed to simply complaining about it.

Here are some suggestions:

1. Demand that psychological counseling be made available to all
officers to whatever degree required. This is common sense. If I
have an armed man walking around and enforcing the law, I obviously
want him to be sane.

2. Demand greater involvement on the part of the community with the
police. The classic example is Kitty Genovese,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese The community has this
childlike mentality that the police is either a "good daddy" or a "bad
daddy". They are not "daddy". They are simply armed men who enforce
the law. If people don't work with them, then their job is
impossible, frustrating, and they will consequently view everyone in
the community as at best, an obstacle. Which will lead to corruption
as well as a willingness to work with the criminal element$$ of the
community to simply get through the day. Why should they care if we
don't? Again, common sense tells us that a police officer is a great
deal more likely to treat members of a community with respect if those
community members treat his work with respect. Note, I refer to his
work, not to him in particular.

3. Demand that they get better pay. You get what you pay for. Think about it.

4. Demand that the entry requirements are a lot tougher. Do I want a
moron or an intelligent person walking around with a gun, making
decisions that could either keep me alive or G-d forbid, land me in
jail? See #3 and #1

5. Demand that the city take a realistic view with regards to gangs as
well as schooling. Since both feed a great deal off the other. I
won't bother getting into it, just suffice to say that our treatment
of both is a pathetic joke.

6. The one intelligent thing Dinkins did was to start a program
calling for more police to walk the beat. Same thing is working now
in Iraq. Visibility makes a difference. Hiding in the
Precinct/barracks and only coming out to arrest "bad guys" is an
exercise in futility.

Think about it, if a community (any community) would regularly stage
demonstrations in front of city hall arguing that their police
officers should have tougher entrance exams, better pay, more
community involvement (including watchdog groups), and free
psychological counseling for however much they felt they needed it;
do you honestly think they wouldn't treat that community with respect
and consideration?

As for Giuliani, well, most of the bitching and complaints about him
I've found were either fairly accurate or had basis. I call it
"bitching" because usually these complaints lack the perspective that
he had real accomplishments and helped out the city tremendously. The
man was far from a saint, but it takes a real genius to argue that
we're not better off because of him.

As for your assertion that the best thing he did was to leave office,
I agree with you, believe it or not. I feel he was the right man at
the right time for the job, but he did what was needed and the
situation called for someone else.

-ron



On Jan 27, 2008 6:07 PM, Michael L. Richardson
wrote:
> Not to make light of or minimize what happened, and what your and yours
> experienced. The first two still happen they only moved to new
> locations. The third one wait for summer. I still fear the police.
>
> (snip)
> >
> >
> > I remember my wife being dragged into the Flatbush Avenue train station
> > by a band of HS kids and the owners of the comicbook store running down the
> > stairs to resue them to result in a bloody standoff in which Ellen finaly
> > escaped..
> >
> > I remember Howard Avenue and Vanderbilt Avenue patrolled up and down
> > by drug dealer and 3 infants in a week being shot down in their rooms
> > by random gun fire.
> >
> > I remember a lot of things. I also remember standing on Troy Avenue
> > and Eastern Parkway running into a crowd of rioters on the day of the
> > riots trying to prevent them from torching a mini-van.
> > yeah - I do remmeber.
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> >
> (snip)
>

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