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DATE 2008-01-01

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DATE 2008-01-29
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Nokia N810
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 12:49:59PM -0500, Ajai Khattri wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> > The Nokia bricks when downloading my mail. I can demonstrate this without
> > much effort but you'd have to be willing to sacrifice your 400 dollar device
> > in the process.
>
> I like the way you re-hash this old story of yours.

Thanks! Do you want the long story? The long story is that we won it for
free at the launching. We hob nobbed with some Nokia folks and some popular science
folks. One fellow asked me what I thought of it and I said it was very promising
but it needs a keyboard. Too their credit, they're listening and added some
rudimentary keyboard to it. I played with it on the train home and was
somewhat impressed with the hand writting recognition software and the touch pad.
I get home my kids squable over who is going to get to play with it first.

My wife won it actually and she was very excited. We brought it home and
my daughter Itka picks it up. She disapears with. She comes back 30 minutes
later very fustrated and says, "Where is the X Term?"

I said I'll work on it. I anounce on the NYLXS list that night that and I get a long
rant from someone that they hate that machine because it bricked and Nokia wouldn't give
any support or exchange it since they put software on it.

I'm skeptical of the complaints because people said the my picturebook sucked because
they're frangil, yet it proved to be very usable and durable. I try using it for a
few days. I download whatever I could and tried to run mutt through ssh. The interface
proved to be just impossible. I went to Nokia and asked about buying a keyboard. It
was a foturn for a keyboard. I passed. I downloaded music to it and it was OK but the
battery life made it not so great. I then tried using it as a $400 FM radio. That was
OK but really....

It then figured I'd try its mail program. I hooked it up to my pop mail and it
crashed and then bricked.

Meanwhile, I needed a magnifying glass to write with it with the word processor
and at an NYLXS meeting we had a boring and difficult time hooking it up to his
blue tooth. I couldn't call my grandmother with it either. So....

That's it. The Asus EEE is the way to go. While I LOVE the touch screen ability
of the Nokai and wish all mice would be banished for touch screens, it needs a bigger
screen to be really useful. I see a $2000 touch screen preinstalled from Emporer Linux
which is actually a think pad. I'd like to try that at some point if I can scrap
a few bucks together. They also that the $5000 military grade touch screen panasonic.
If I had the money of a few years back, that would be my first choice.



> The point is, there's
> a lot of happy users out there. Enough said.
>

The point it that many people will been to increase their reading glasses strength
to make use of it. And it needed a real broadband option.

> > When compared to something like a ASA EEE PC, it doesn't really come close.
> > there is nothing that the Nokia does that the Asus can't do and the Asus will
> > save you more than a few bucks.
>
> Not that much, 4Gb EEE PC is somewhere between $350-$400 right?


I got a 2gig for 295 plus tax from J&R. And everywhere I bring it people flip out
over it. It's an ideal device in an ideal market at an ideal price. This Asus,
IMO, at the end of the day will do more to bring GNU/Linux to the masses than anything
that has been previously done.

>
> > Also the scree is just too small for anything other than some entertainmment.
>
> Or to be more precise: the screen is too small for YOU.

No, I ment that it is TOO SMALL. If it had a port to hook up to a larger monitor
when stationary then it might be a more viable option. It might be useful for something
like inventory control, or some limited use. Nokai themselves recongise the inherent limitation
and stress that it is a niche product with emphasis on video and teleconferencing. The problem
is that there isn't any infrastructure for that use. If I could get a Pharmacy database on it,
it would be as useful as a Palm in this regard, but not as useful as the ASUS EEE.

>
> > I've already written nearly 40 pages of a book with the Asus.
> >
> > Try that with a Nokia tablet.
>
> Yeah, and damn Nokia to hell for designing a WEB tablet and not a PC. And
> the EEE PC fits oh so well in my pant pocket.
>

Like must people I carry a bag. I could fit the Asus EEE in my winter coat
pocket, but I'd still need my bag, so why bother. It would fit in a purse
with no trouble.


BTW, you might get your hands on one quick because I strongly suspect they will
sell out. My kids have all lined up with their allowance and want one, and I saw
4 of them sold at J&R in the 20 minutes I was there.

Ruben


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You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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