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DATE 2008-01-28
FROM From: "Michael L. Richardson.com"
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Republican Endorsements and the facts
Ruben the police do have access to psychological counseling.
people did complain and they gave us the citizen review board. (whose
unstated mission to dissmiss compaints).
If I ever get into trouble with the law I want the same consideration the
police get (not equal justice).
as for greater cooperation with the police I find that one to one they are
normal peploe but put two or more together and you are asking for trouble
from them.
The police are a necessary evil.
I stopped reading newspapers years ago.


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...... Original Message .......
On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:25:56 -0500 "Ronny Abraham"
wrote:
>One more thing. Ruben, it wasn't 2000 murders a month. It was
>(about) 2000 a year. Furthermore the rates were going up long before
>Dinkins got into office, and started going down three years before he
>left it.
>
>Not that I liked the man, thought he was a horrible mayor. Although
>to be fair, he wasn't the worst. Jimmy Walker easily takes that
>prize. There are also quite a number of other rejects ahead of him in
>that regard too.
>
>As for the Times, anyone who believes everything a newspaper (ANY
>newspaper) says, is kidding themselves.
>Newspapers don't exist to tell the truth, they exist to sell papers.
>Period. That's the way it is now, and that's the way it's been,
>literally, since the beginning of the country.
>
>I can introduce you to a fellow who worked in the Koch administration
>who told me how they were constantly incredulous at the way the
>newspapers would print "facts" that had absolutely nothing to do with
>reality. I myself saw how an article in the Jerusalem post regarding
>a local incident (it was a heroic fairy tale) was at complete odds
>with the utter cowardice that the "hero" admitted (in my presence) to
>having shown.
>
>-ron
>
>On Jan 28, 2008 10:38 AM, Ronny Abraham wrote:
>> What you fear or do not fear is of course your own business. But here
>> are the facts.
>>
>> http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
>>
>> If you really have problems with the police, than I suggest you get
>> involved in police advocacy organizations to change the system from
>> the inside as opposed to simply complaining about it.
>>
>> Here are some suggestions:
>>
>> 1. Demand that psychological counseling be made available to all
>> officers to whatever degree required. This is common sense. If I
>> have an armed man walking around and enforcing the law, I obviously
>> want him to be sane.
>>
>> 2. Demand greater involvement on the part of the community with the
>> police. The classic example is Kitty Genovese,
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese The community has this
>> childlike mentality that the police is either a "good daddy" or a "bad
>> daddy". They are not "daddy". They are simply armed men who enforce
>> the law. If people don't work with them, then their job is
>> impossible, frustrating, and they will consequently view everyone in
>> the community as at best, an obstacle. Which will lead to corruption
>> as well as a willingness to work with the criminal element$$ of the
>> community to simply get through the day. Why should they care if we
>> don't? Again, common sense tells us that a police officer is a great
>> deal more likely to treat members of a community with respect if those
>> community members treat his work with respect. Note, I refer to his
>> work, not to him in particular.
>>
>> 3. Demand that they get better pay. You get what you pay for. Think
about it.
>>
>> 4. Demand that the entry requirements are a lot tougher. Do I want a
>> moron or an intelligent person walking around with a gun, making
>> decisions that could either keep me alive or G-d forbid, land me in
>> jail? See #3 and #1
>>
>> 5. Demand that the city take a realistic view with regards to gangs as
>> well as schooling. Since both feed a great deal off the other. I
>> won't bother getting into it, just suffice to say that our treatment
>> of both is a pathetic joke.
>>
>> 6. The one intelligent thing Dinkins did was to start a program
>> calling for more police to walk the beat. Same thing is working now
>> in Iraq. Visibility makes a difference. Hiding in the
>> Precinct/barracks and only coming out to arrest "bad guys" is an
>> exercise in futility.
>>
>> Think about it, if a community (any community) would regularly stage
>> demonstrations in front of city hall arguing that their police
>> officers should have tougher entrance exams, better pay, more
>> community involvement (including watchdog groups), and free
>> psychological counseling for however much they felt they needed it;
>> do you honestly think they wouldn't treat that community with respect
>> and consideration?
>>
>> As for Giuliani, well, most of the bitching and complaints about him
>> I've found were either fairly accurate or had basis. I call it
>> "bitching" because usually these complaints lack the perspective that
>> he had real accomplishments and helped out the city tremendously. The
>> man was far from a saint, but it takes a real genius to argue that
>> we're not better off because of him.
>>
>> As for your assertion that the best thing he did was to leave office,
>> I agree with you, believe it or not. I feel he was the right man at
>> the right time for the job, but he did what was needed and the
>> situation called for someone else.
>>
>> -ron
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2008 6:07 PM, Michael L. Richardson
>>
>> wrote:
>> > Not to make light of or minimize what happened, and what your and yours
>> > experienced. The first two still happen they only moved to new
>> > locations. The third one wait for summer. I still fear the police.
>> >
>> > (snip)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I remember my wife being dragged into the Flatbush Avenue train
station
>> > > by a band of HS kids and the owners of the comicbook store running
down the
>> > > stairs to resue them to result in a bloody standoff in which Ellen
finaly
>> > > escaped..
>> > >
>> > > I remember Howard Avenue and Vanderbilt Avenue patrolled up and down
>> > > by drug dealer and 3 infants in a week being shot down in their rooms
>> > > by random gun fire.
>> > >
>> > > I remember a lot of things. I also remember standing on Troy Avenue
>> > > and Eastern Parkway running into a crowd of rioters on the day of the
>> > > riots trying to prevent them from torching a mini-van.
>> > > yeah - I do remmeber.
>> > >
>> > > Ruben
>> > >
>> > >
>> > (snip)
>> >
>>

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