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MESSAGE
DATE 2008-01-30
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Nokia N810
>
> 'Many people'? You mean YOU. People that have problems with small screens
> would not buy this kind of machine. Two million iPhones tell me that a
> small screen is not a problem to a lot of people.
>


Actually I mean MOST people. Most people need reading glasses some
time after turning 40. Most people turn 40.

Did you ever notice those reading glasses they sell at Rite-AID?

And this is an important point that your missing. Your trying to
make this personal and but in reality your the one analyzing this
device in a confined container which would include your limited
expereince. If you want to argue that some young people who have
a spare 500 dollars might find this a playful device that entertains
them, I give you that point. But for general use in the general
population it suffers too many limitations and its software design
is too fragile.


> > I got a 2gig for 295 plus tax from J&R.
>
> I think the 2Gb is a bit cramped for a laptop; 4Gb is better.
>


My full blown SuSE distro's are about 500 mgs in software. I
have a half dozen flash drives and flash cards that I'm currently
watching ripped DVD's from. It has ports for both and I move my
bulky data to them.


> > And everywhere I bring it people flip out
> > over it.
>
> I could say the same thing about the Nokia. (Hell even my old Psions back
> in the day did that).
>


I never have that response with my Nokia. I carried it around for about
3 months and noone ever even noticed it. The mini-laptop however gets
instant responses on every subway and bus ride.


> > It's an ideal device in an ideal market at an ideal price.
>
> I think the EEE PC is great and the market has been starved for a real low
> cost machine for years so it will (and probably is) sell well. Im not
> gonna knock that. Good for them and us.
>
> > No, I ment that it is TOO SMALL. If it had a port to hook up to a larger monitor
>
> Its not a PC. Stop thinking of it in those terms. A Blackberry is not a PC
> but people love them all the same.

A blackberry is an electronic leash with real phone service. Businesses aren't going
to replace blackberrys with these things and its not the target market either.

>
> > Like must people I carry a bag.
>
> Sometimes I dont want to carry a bag. So I dont have to. That's my choice.

Your in a very very small minority then.

>
> The EEE PC is great, I agree. But dont compare it to the Nokia tablets.
> They have different usage patterns and therefore different users.

Without a doubt. So then define the Nokia target? Because I don't think even
Nokia knows what it wants from these things.

>
> Do you really think Blackberry users bought the machine for its video
> capabilities? Of course not, it does a few things really well and those
> users that value those things will buy it. For those people the screen is
> fine and they are willing to overlook any inconveniences because the
> product is good enough for THEIR needs. The Nokia is great for ME for web
> browsing

It sucks for web browsing because the input device is a PIA. The new one
probably addresses this better.

> and reading ebooks whereever I am, but Im sure my usage pattern
> is not the same as yours so the machine doesn't work for YOU.
>

Too small to do serious reading from.

> Geddit? So stop talking in absolutes, arrogantly assuming that you
> represent 'most users'. You dont anymore than I do.

Unless it builds in real cellular capability like an iphone, and the
ability to hook up with real monitor or keyboard it will continue to remain
a toy for most users.

They should make a form factory cradle for the device that fits into a USB
port that can interface with a large machine, making it more accessable when
not on the road. The easiest way for me to hack at it was to put it on the
wireless and ssh into it from my workstation.


Ruben

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