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From: "Ronny Abraham"
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
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On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> That market is the lynch pin to getting free software product out is
> axiomatic, and between the monopolistic effort of MS and their marketing
> Corel had ZERO change. I really don't want to argue if marketing is
> the key issue. If you don't think that marketing and anti-competitive
> activities is the core reason for the dominance of the MS OS, I just
> chuck you up to being a fruit loop, no offense intended, and I'll waste time
> in a more productive fashion.
I think of myself more as Raisin Bran man.
Corel had a crappy product. Marketing only takes you so far. At the
end of the day the thing you are promoting has to work. If not well,
at least well enough. After that, people don't feel like taking a
chance on something new.
The thing I am saying is, if you want Linux to be adopted, you have to
find a service that other providers aren't covering.
In essence my points are that you must have:
a) everything a user expects with what he currently has
b) do it better
c) something he needs that he doesn't have.
> And that gets you NOTHING. Did you not read about the case history of Borland?
> OS2 Warp, GNU/Linux, Netscape, or for that matter the inventor of the TV, Amstrong,
> Vitagraph, and the Betamax?
You really don't like to stick with the simple do you?
Doing a google search for "vitagraph" I saw the number "1897" and
decided anything that far back is irrelevent to me.
The inventor of the TV was a moron when he let RCA stooges into his
lab. So let's scratch that off the list also, shall we? I'm not
going to debate someone who obviously screwed up.
Betamax vs. VHS. After reading the wiki pages, it strikes me that
ultimately this was a case where the difference in price and quality
wasn't close enough for someone who makes 15$ an hour to put the money
down. Although the wiki pages go on and on about it being a market
case, they don't provide a whole lot of info on it.
One line in the page stood out "This kind of lock-in and path
dependence is exactly what economists point out as the Betamax weak
link" This is such crap that I can only laugh. If that was true, why
the hell do people stick with MS Toilet Paper, MS Word, MS
GNU/Linux wars are still going on. In fact, the whole point of this
discussion is to make sure it gets on top.
OS2. OK, so I won't pretend I have hard facts. But in conversation I
had with a cynical guy who used to work at IBM, it chalked up to
"management didn't take the personal computer seriously enough to get
this moving fast enough". That's all I know, and I'm sticking with
it. I will point out, that people stick with the brand name. Had IBM
aggressively pushed out a real product for the PC, businesses would
have stuck with that instead of DOS. They didn't, so the businesses
used DOS, got their apps in DOS, and didn't feel like switching.
Which is the point I've been making all along. People don't like
Next time you bring up examples, please just bring up one OK?
>> As for maintenance problems, that's what offices pay tech drones for.
>> People can handle a crash or two.
> No we don't.
Yes, they can. Because you get paid whether the system goes down or
not. Furthermore, as a drone, upper management could care less if you
feel like committing suicide, so long as you do it on your own time.
I of course, care very much, which is why I would like to see all
office drones being given Linux.
>> It's regular system failure that
>> makes them run screaming for another operating system.
> Evidently not since that continues to plague all Microsoft OS's. Neither does viruses,
> spyware, worms, spam exploits, security breaches and more.
when I say regular system failure, I mean "vista-level" failure.
Which is what is currently NOT happening with XP or even 98.
> That's only partly true. And it continues to be more true today then ever.
> They insisted on making the OS compatable to Windows. That was the big mistake. Instead
> of buying and devloping their own brand loyalty and market, they basically just helped MS
> market Windows and become looked at as an also ran. BIG MISTAKE.
This is where you and I differ. If Linux is going to be accepted,
every single damn app that runs on windows is going to have to run on
Linux. I believe this so much, that the second I get a chance I'm
going to start donating time to WINE.
> - I need to get back to the C++ workshops and you guys aren't helping ;)
What's the story with these workshops? Is it via email? Or are you
hosting them in your house? I'm a bit confused here.