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|SUBJECT ||Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:20:09 -0400
From: Mark Simko
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Maybe its because lindows just sucked
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> I'm not interested in people
> > telling me that there's a "lack of marketing".
> That market is the lynch pin to getting free software product out is
> axiomatic, and between the monopolistic effort of MS and their marketing
> Corel had ZERO change. I really don't want to argue if marketing is
> the key issue. If you don't think that marketing and anti-competitive
> activities is the core reason for the dominance of the MS OS, I just
> chuck you up to being a fruit loop, no offense intended, and I'll waste time
> in a more productive fashion.
It is not the only reason, at least for Linux in general. But good
marketing is a necessary condition. It is not, however, a sufficient
With Lindows, it definitely was a poor choice of markets. Cheaper
(free) is not the way to go. There must be something else, surely, that
makes Linux better.
> > Yes, there is that, to an extent, but that only goes so far. You
> > want people to adopt Linux? Fill a need. Make it worth their while to
> > build their applications around it. Give them business. Apache is
> > also free and has very little/no marketing yet it's used in the
> > majority of web servers. This "lack of marketing" talk is something I
> > have zero patience for.
> > Fill a need.
> And that gets you NOTHING. Did you not read about the case history of Borland?
> OS2 Warp, GNU/Linux, Netscape, or for that matter the inventor of the TV, Amstrong,
> Vitagraph, and the Betamax?
Let's see. M$ Office was newer, sexier, had a nicer face on it, but was
technically inferior. But it came bundled, and thus established market
dominance through near ubiquity. OS2 didn't have the software available
(incompatibility), which Vista suffers from right now.
Gnu Linux comes with a great range of software, all bundled,
inexpensive, and convenient. There is great support - everywhere.
Support won't sunset on gnu linux.
And Philo Farnsworth invented tv. Quite a story, that one.
> > As for maintenance problems, that's what offices pay tech drones for.
> > People can handle a crash or two.
Home owners don't. Convince enough homeowners, and you have a grassroots
> No we don't.
> > It's regular system failure that
> > makes them run screaming for another operating system.
> Evidently not since that continues to plague all Microsoft OS's. Neither does viruses,
> spyware, worms, spam exploits, security breaches and more.
There's a significant leverage point right there. It's also a lot easier
to fix the infrequent Linux problems. Now if people knew of an easy to
use resource, or even a pool of help, that would go a long way toward
converting people over. They also need to perceive that Linux is here to
stay, so they need to understand that Linux has been here as long, or
longer than Windoze.
> > Windows prevailed because IBM dropped the ball on OS/2 because they
> > didn't think the personal computer was a market that had any real
> > potential.
NOt the pc market. Just that os2 didn't have a chance. They made the
right decision for IBM stockholders.