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MESSAGE
DATE 2009-02-16
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM not quite dead yet
*The U.K. government has rejected a call for digital rights management
to be banned in the U.K., but has acknowledged that the technology could
undermine consumer rights.*

A total of 1,414 people signed an online petition calling for digital
rights management (DRM) -- which places restrictions on how people can
use media such as software or music -- to be outlawed. The petition,
hosted on the U.K. government's e-petitions Web site
, warned that DRM removes the freedom of
choice between competing products offered for digital download or on CDs.

The petition, created by blogger Neil Holmes
, also cited an investigation into DRM
last year by the All Party Parliamentary Internet Group, an independent
Parliamentary organisation. The group demanded safeguards for consumers
against invasive technologies such as the rootkit-like program used by
Sony

on some music CDs in 2005.

The government published its response to the petition on Monday and
claimed that DRM could bring value to consumers.

"DRM does not only act as a policeman through technical protection
measures, it also enables content companies to offer the consumer
unprecedented choice in terms of how they consume content, and the
corresponding price they wish to pay," said the government, in its response.

"It is clear though that the needs and rights of consumers must also be
carefully safeguarded. It is reasonable for consumers to be informed
what is actually being offered for sale, for example, and how and where
the purchaser will be able to use the product, and any restrictions
applied," the government added.

The DRM debate in the U.K. coincides with arguments against use of the
technology from another sector -- Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs, who
earlier this month advocated licensing music without DRM
.
Jobs contends that eliminating DRM will encourage interoperability
between music services and boost sales of downloadable recordings.

Sony's use of rootkit-like technology on its music CDs caused a storm of
protest. The DRM technology was secretly installed and hid itself from
the operating systems on people's PCs when they played Sony CDs on their
computers. Users complained that this violated their rights to full
disclosure about the products they bought from Sony, whose problems
escalated after virus writers used the technology to hide malicious
software.

In the U.K., the Open Rights Group campaigns against technologies such
as DRM, which it believes can undermine the rights of users.

Becky Hogge, executive director at the Open Rights Group
, believes that public awareness of the
issues surrounding DRM is growing. "DRM had been seen in the past as a
niche technology issue, but there is now rising consumer awareness about
it," she told /CNET.com.au/ sister site /ZDNet UK/.

Hogge added that some DRM technologies put restrictions on users that
run counter to their rights under U.K. copyright law. For example, a
blanket ban on copying prevents an individual from taking a sample for
review or illustrative purposes, as they are allowed to under the "fair
use" provisions within copyright law.

  1. 2009-02-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  2. 2009-02-01 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  3. 2009-02-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  4. 2009-02-01 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  5. 2009-02-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  6. 2009-02-01 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  7. 2009-02-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  8. 2009-02-04 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  9. 2009-02-04 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  10. 2009-02-05 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  11. 2009-02-05 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] funny onion news
  12. 2009-02-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [announcements-at-a-teamgroup.com: 7th Annual 2009 High Performance Linux on Wall Street]
  13. 2009-02-06 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MYSQL falling apart
  14. 2009-02-08 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ubuntu wifi
  15. 2009-02-09 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ubuntu wifi
  16. 2009-02-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Outliner Project
  17. 2009-02-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ubuntu wifi
  18. 2009-02-09 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ubuntu wifi
  19. 2009-02-09 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ubuntu wifi
  20. 2009-02-09 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] best line I've read
  21. 2009-02-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] best line I've read
  22. 2009-02-09 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] best line I've read
  23. 2009-02-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] best line I've read
  24. 2009-02-09 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] best line I've read
  25. 2009-02-09 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] best line I've read
  26. 2009-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Brooklyn this Friday 2/13]
  27. 2009-02-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: Transit cuts: seeing is believing
  28. 2009-02-11 einker <eminker-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] best line I've read
  29. 2009-02-11 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] best line I've read
  30. 2009-02-11 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] A Rare Time To Come...
  31. 2009-02-12 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet connection
  32. 2009-02-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet connection
  33. 2009-02-15 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Debian
  34. 2009-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Debian
  35. 2009-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] virus security is finally getting notice
  36. 2009-02-15 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Debian
  37. 2009-02-15 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] virus security is finally getting notice
  38. 2009-02-15 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Debian
  39. 2009-02-15 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] virus security is finally getting notice
  40. 2009-02-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] virus security is finally getting notice
  41. 2009-02-15 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] virus security is finally getting notice
  42. 2009-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM not quite dead yet
  43. 2009-02-16 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Wars continue
  44. 2009-02-16 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Wars continue
  45. 2009-02-16 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] weird project spec
  46. 2009-02-16 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] weird project spec
  47. 2009-02-16 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] weird project spec
  48. 2009-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] HP Linux support
  49. 2009-02-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Wars continue
  50. 2009-02-17 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] HP Linux support
  51. 2009-02-18 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-announce] TOMORROW! NYLUG Feb 18 -at- 6:30 PM Brian Gupta
  52. 2009-02-18 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunny Dubey's Nov 2008 Linux DJ presentation now available to stream/download
  53. 2009-02-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunny Dubey's Nov 2008 Linux DJ presentation
  54. 2009-02-19 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] HP Linux support
  55. 2009-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Jobs
  56. 2009-02-19 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunny Dubey's Nov 2008 Linux DJ presentation
  57. 2009-02-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Sunny Dubey's Nov 2008 Linux DJ presentation
  58. 2009-02-20 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
  59. 2009-02-20 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] internet connection
  60. 2009-02-20 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] weird project spec
  61. 2009-02-20 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] HP Linux support
  62. 2009-02-20 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] weird project spec
  63. 2009-02-21 email <redpill-at-rcn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new email
  64. 2009-02-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new email
  65. 2009-02-21 From: "Beau Gould" <bg-at-capitalmarketsp.com> RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new email
  66. 2009-02-21 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [nylug-announce] Russ Nelson's OpenStreetmap mapping party
  67. 2009-02-22 email <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new email
  68. 2009-02-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  69. 2009-02-23 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  70. 2009-02-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  71. 2009-02-23 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] weird project spec
  72. 2009-02-23 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] new email
  73. 2009-02-24 redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  74. 2009-02-24 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  75. 2009-02-24 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Mandriva Linux Powerpack 2009 available at 50% discount !]
  76. 2009-02-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Jelly in Brooklyn this Friday 2/27]
  77. 2009-02-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Iraqi Views on US Politics
  78. 2009-02-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Finances
  79. 2009-02-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  80. 2009-02-25 From: "Tameek" <tameek-at-gmail.com> R: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Finances
  81. 2009-02-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Installfest Sunday
  82. 2009-02-25 redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  83. 2009-02-25 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  84. 2009-02-25 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com RE: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Finances
  85. 2009-02-25 redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  86. 2009-02-25 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  87. 2009-02-25 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] IRC as a way to hold meetings
  88. 2009-02-25 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  89. 2009-02-26 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Finances
  90. 2009-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Finances
  91. 2009-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: R: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Finances
  92. 2009-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Finances
  93. 2009-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  94. 2009-02-26 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  95. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MS Verses GNU is heating up
  96. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] 24 percent increase in GNU Sales not satisfying Novell in the recession
  97. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] MS/GNU Legal Battle prelude part II
  98. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  99. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  100. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?
  101. 2009-02-27 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?
  102. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?
  103. 2009-02-27 mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  104. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] OLPC
  105. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [linux-elitists] FAT is the new GIF?]
  106. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [linux-elitists] FAT is the new GIF?]
  107. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [linux-elitists] FAT is the new GIF?]
  108. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [linux-elitists] FAT is the new GIF?]
  109. 2009-02-27 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  110. 2009-02-27 Elfen Magix <elfen_magix-at-yahoo.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?
  111. 2009-02-27 redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  112. 2009-02-27 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  113. 2009-02-27 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  114. 2009-02-27 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  115. 2009-02-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Update Apache2.0 configuration]
  116. 2009-02-28 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest Sunday
  117. 2009-02-28 Ronny Abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?

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