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Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:04:12 -0800
> Don Marti wrote:
>
>
>> Or is FAT more like JPEG -- something that's subject
>> to bogus patent claims, but usable?
>>
>
> The problem with FAT, I think, is that PubPat already tried to kill the
> patent and failed. So it kind of has to be looked at as a hardened
> patent, I think. Recent rulings may make it subject to attack again,
> but this one will be harder than the "we patented the idea of mounting
> a computer in a car dashboard" one.
>
> I was talking with some folks at LCA who were saying that the community
> has put too much emphasis on frontal attacks and not enough on
> workarounds. Evidently most patents can be worked around with enough
> care; the claims tend to be very specific. It may time to see if
> there's a way to work around the FAT patent to the point that, even if
> we can't do everything, we can still enable people to plug in their
> cameras and music players.
>
>

I don't know about that theory with patents. Years ago Klein bikes
patented any Bicycle that
weighed less that a certain weights with a certain tensile strength
shutting down not only all the
alumimum bike frames that were similar (such as Canondale) but also
shutting down all the titanium
and carbon fiber frames as well. It turned the bicycling business upside
down for years.

Ruben
> jon
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  3. 2009-02-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
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  8. 2009-02-04 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Projects
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  90. 2009-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
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  93. 2009-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Finances
  94. 2009-02-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Finances
  95. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
  96. 2009-02-27 redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
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  98. 2009-02-27 Amy Coleman <acoleman-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Installfest and hacking date
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  107. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] is this mayor NUTS?
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  111. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [linux-elitists] FAT is the new GIF?]
  112. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [linux-elitists] FAT is the new GIF?]
  113. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [linux-elitists] FAT is the new GIF?]
  114. 2009-02-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: Re: [linux-elitists] FAT is the new GIF?]
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