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DATE 2011-06-01
FROM Ron Guerin
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [svlug] Probable spamhaus domain: apotmail.com]
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FYI.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [svlug] Probable spamhaus domain: apotmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:27:51 -0700
From: Rick Moen
Organization: If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
To: svlug-at-lists.svlug.org

For the benefit of people who watch such things: It seems that domain
'apotmail.com' is the latest to be deployed for never-post-anything
subscriptions to mailing lists for probably nefarious purposes,
_probably_ either harvesting of addresses, keeping vetted subscriptions
available for a future mass-spamming, or both.

I am about to pre-emptively block Mailman regex ^.*-at-apotmail\.com from
subscription to any mailing list I administer or host, joining these
existing blocks:

^.*pc1\.papaya\.me\.uk
^.*zeusmail\.org
^.*gmx\.com
^.*-at-dir\.bg

Why have I arrived at that opinion? Patterns. You notice requests
arrive to permit new subscriptions to closed mailing lists where, for
reasons made obvious on their public Web pages, there is no earthly
reason for general members of the public to want to subscribe. And,
say, several such requests arrive within a week or so, and you notice
that they're all from allegedly different users at zeusmail.org .

You write back to the allegedly aspiring subscribers, asking them why
they want to subscribe, say, to a mailing list that exists only for
archival purposes, is publicly archived, and is not postable. You never
get any reply.[1]

You do a Web-search on zeusmail.org, and you find postings from other
mailing list administrators around the world, saying they've had
puzzling patterns of subscription from users at zeusmail.org, who never
say anything but want to be on mailing lists even where there's no
reason for them to want to join them.

What exactly is going on? I'm not absolutely sure, but I'm pretty
positive it's nothing good. Smells very much like some sort of
intelligence-gathering by professional spamhaus groups, and it's
extremely likely that all the requests are script-driven with no human
reading any return mail.

Mailing list admins: If you block the above-cited domains, don't forget
to check your existing rosters for entries. I'll bet many of you will
find you already have 'zeusmail.org' users (for example) whom nobody
knows, who never post, and who never respond if you write them.

And yes, I'm aware that blocking individual domains that I notice
behaving in a suspiciously spammish manner doesn't scale.

[1] This exact pattern is now confirmed for apotmail.com .




----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner-bounces-at-lists.svlug.org -----

Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 14:00:59 -0700
From: mailman-owner-bounces-at-lists.svlug.org
To: smaug-owner-at-lists.svlug.org
Subject: Smaug subscription notification

Clifford.Ude-at-apotmail.com has been successfully subscribed to Smaug.



----- End forwarded message -----

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  1. 2011-06-01 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [Fwd: [svlug] Probable spamhaus domain: apotmail.com]
  2. 2011-06-02 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop
  3. 2011-06-03 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] job fair
  4. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [grc-at-cse.iitb.ac.in: Workshop on Essential Abstractions in GCC]
  5. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ iostream linking
  6. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Apache API and C++
  7. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Anonymous namespace
  8. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  9. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  10. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  11. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  12. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  13. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  14. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  15. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  16. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  17. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  18. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  19. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  20. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  21. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  22. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  23. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  24. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  25. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  26. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  27. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  28. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  29. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  30. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  31. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  32. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  33. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  34. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  35. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  36. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  37. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  38. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  39. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  40. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  41. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Anonymous namespace
  42. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) basic_ostream question
  43. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: basic_ostream question
  44. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: basic_ostream question
  45. 2011-06-05 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: basic_ostream question
  46. 2011-06-06 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Antony Weiner
  47. 2011-06-07 Robert Menes <viewtiful.icchan-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Antony Weiner
  48. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) C++ File Lokcing
  49. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ File Lokcing
  50. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ File Lokcing
  51. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ File Lokcing
  52. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ File Lokcing
  53. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ File Lokcing
  54. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ File Lokcing
  55. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ File Lokcing
  56. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ File Lokcing
  57. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ File Lokcing
  58. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) US-NY: NYC-Linux Administrator
  59. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) US-NY: New York-Sr. Linux Admin/JAS
  60. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) US-NY: New York-Software Engineering Lead - PHP/Drupal
  61. 2011-06-07 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) US-NY: NYC-Sr. Software Developer
  62. 2011-06-07 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLUG Workshop / Hacking Society (Smalltalk, C++, Python) Tuesday June 7 6:00PM-8:00PM
  63. 2011-06-10 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FW: Linux
  64. 2011-06-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FW: Linux
  65. 2011-06-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FW: Linux
  66. 2011-06-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Fwd: [opensuse] openSUSE Weekly News 178 is
  67. 2011-06-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [fathersandfamilies-at-fathersandfamilies.org:
  68. 2011-06-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [caroleheadsup-at-caroleking.com: Carole King
  69. 2011-06-10 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Google
  70. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Using sizeof in the preprocessor
  71. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Using sizeof in the preprocessor
  72. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Using sizeof in the preprocessor
  73. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Using sizeof in the preprocessor
  74. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Using sizeof in the preprocessor
  75. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Using sizeof in the preprocessor
  76. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Using sizeof in the preprocessor
  77. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Using sizeof in the preprocessor
  78. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Using sizeof in the preprocessor
  79. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: Using sizeof in the preprocessor
  80. 2011-06-11 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [caroleheadsup-at-caroleking.com:
  81. 2011-06-11 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Image Librarries
  82. 2011-06-12 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Image Librarries
  83. 2011-06-12 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Image Librarries
  84. 2011-06-12 Jordan Loyd <jordan-at-jordanloyd.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Image Librarries
  85. 2011-06-12 Jordan Loyd <jordan-at-jordanloyd.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Image Librarries
  86. 2011-06-12 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Image Librarries
  87. 2011-06-12 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Image Librarries
  88. 2011-06-12 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Image Librarries
  89. 2011-06-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] This is what makes Linux great
  90. 2011-06-13 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop Quiz
  91. 2011-06-15 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Copyright Laws
  92. 2011-06-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Weiner aftermath
  93. 2011-06-17 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn losing a district at a time when Brooklyn just gained another
  94. 2011-06-17 Ruben Safir <ceo.brooklyn-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn losing a district at a time when Brooklyn
  95. 2011-06-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop
  96. 2011-06-17 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Fwd: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop - next phase
  97. 2011-06-18 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn losing a district at a time when Brooklyn
  98. 2011-06-18 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The Free Software Round Table (live) 10 PM EST TONIGHT
  99. 2011-06-18 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn losing a district at a time when
  100. 2011-06-21 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop quiz program
  101. 2011-06-21 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLUG Workshop / Hacking Society (Smalltalk, C++, Python) Tuesday June 21 6:00PM-8:00PM
  102. 2011-06-21 redpill <redpill-at-rcn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Antony Weiner
  103. 2011-06-22 swd <sderrick-at-optonline.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] My Mother says,
  104. 2011-06-24 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] C++ Workshop
  105. 2011-06-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) C++ file locking
  106. 2011-06-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ file locking
  107. 2011-06-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ file locking
  108. 2011-06-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ file locking
  109. 2011-06-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ file locking
  110. 2011-06-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) Re: C++ file locking
  111. 2011-06-26 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) C++ iosteams and ncurses
  112. 2011-06-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) US-NY: New York-Applications Support Analyst
  113. 2011-06-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) US-NY: New York-Applications Support Analyst
  114. 2011-06-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) US-NJ: Jersey City-Unix Security Technical Writer
  115. 2011-06-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) US-NY: Manhattan-Senior Technical Writer
  116. 2011-06-30 Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn-at-panix.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] (fwd) US-NY: Brooklyn-Sr Pipeline Corrosion Surveyor

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