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DATE | 2020-01-06 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Fwd: Re: Proposals for the new GNU/FSF
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The GNU revolt continues
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On 01/06/2020 05:47 AM, Andy Wingo wrote: > Please refrain from reposting the same arguments over and over again > on this list, you've made them before already.
Please refrain from reposting false premises over and over again on this list. You and your friends have done it many times already.
> Please also stop pretending that you speak on the behalf of the GNU > project and GNU maintainers.
One could say the same thing to you.
-- Dora Scilipoti GNU Education Team gnu.org/education
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Please refrain from reposting the same arguments over and over again on this list, you've made them before already.
Please also stop pretending that you speak on the behalf of the GNU project and GNU maintainers.
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Brett Gilio wrote:
> Alfred, if you really feel there is no substance at hand here, why > not just leave the discussion?
Alfred is trying to correct the misinformation that is being spread here as if it were unquestionable fact. This is an important thing to do so one must hope he will not be driven away.
-- Dora Scilipoti GNU Education Team gnu.org/education
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Mark Wielaard writes:
>> There is no such thing as a FSF steward, GNU maintainers are appointed >> by RMS/GAC. The FSF has no say in the topic. You've keept >> misrepresenting this over and over again. > > This is just a legal technicallity. The FSF has oversight > responsibility over the GNU project. That means that the FSF needs to > determine that GNU maintainers operate in a manner consistent with > FSF's exempt purposes, have the needed expertise and that their > activities can be monitored by the FSF board. So GNU Maintainers and > Steering committees are technically appointed by the FSF (previously > RMS when he was FSF president and board member) as stewards of GNU > packages. Basically GNU maintainers serve at the pleasure of the FSF.
This is absolutely false.
As a member of the package evaluation team and as an Assistant GNUissance (maintainers-at-gnu.org), I have personally been involved in many appointments of new maintainers at every step of the process, from first contact with GNU through to post-appointment bureaucracy and occasional check-ins. I also have the authority to appoint new maintainers of existing packages myself (only Richard can appoint maintainers of new packages). In fact, I personally appointed some new co-maintainers of Guix back in September, two weeks *after* Richard resigned as president of the FSF, which Ludovic can confirm.
I can categorically say that the FSF is not involved whatsoever in the appointment of new maintainers.
Please do not spread misinformation about the GNU project.
-- -brandon
ps - To correct Alfred: the GAC is also not involved in the appointment of maintainers (unless Richard were to ask them for advice in specific cases).
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* DJ Delorie [2020-01-04 21:03]: > Jean Louis writes: > > Why should any policy of GNU be changed when they have been > > functioning well for decades? > > This argument was used when GPLv2 was introduced, and again with GPLv3. > Things change, we must adapt. "The old way is good enough" is not a > good long-term policy.
Things always change and improve over time, for as long as good people are running those things, that is true.
The subject was not the improvement over time, subject was the current change of policies or as you said "amend policies", as you would need to have actual reason to amend anything, and in case of any amendments and proposals, one should propose it to RMS, and if there is rejection or lack of acceptance, one shall respectfully take it back.
Jean
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Jean Louis writes: > Why should any policy of GNU be changed when they have been > functioning well for decades?
This argument was used when GPLv2 was introduced, and again with GPLv3. Things change, we must adapt. "The old way is good enough" is not a good long-term policy.
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On Fri, 2020-01-03 at 13:53 +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > In general it is somewhat inconvenient if you can only post to the > list from the address with which you are subscribed.
In practice, with only one or two exceptions from what I have seen so far, this would only affect people whose messages tend to be rejected for content anyway.
If anyone is particularly inconvenienced by this change and they genuinely intend to contribute to the discussion, they are welcome to get in touch. I can either make a (mental) exception or we can find an alternative solution for them. For example, you can change your account settings in Mailman not to send messages to your "sending only" account.
If things cool down, we can be more lenient again in the future.
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