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DATE | 2020-01-08 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS]
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Wed Jan 8 02:48:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BAA16113A; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 02:48:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2767F161132 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 02:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.0.62] (www3.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.83]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47t1ZT4W7mz1Hfl; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 02:48:17 -0500 (EST) From: Ruben Safir To: Andreas Enge , Hangout References: <87tv5xputr.fsf-at-gnu.org> <20191220003144.GK3785-at-librem> <87bls3s0c9.fsf-at-gnu.org> <32feb3ac718f08d619abc0d609dda400e05c9e69.camel-at-klomp.org> <87o8vzj85m.fsf-at-gnu.org> <20191227222114.GG62099-at-librem> <87blrsbj4f.fsf-at-gnu.org> <20200102124213.GC9566-at-wildebeest.org> <20200104090006.GA1291-at-jurong> Message-ID: <2cd87b8c-7636-8827-b097-70cbfe8d5744-at-panix.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 02:46:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200104090006.GA1291-at-jurong> Content-Language: en-US Cc: Mark Wielaard Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?b?QSBHTlUg4oCcc29jaWFsIGNvbnRyYWN04oCd?= =?utf-8?q?=3F?= X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
* Andreas Enge [2020-01-04 10:01]: > Hello Mark, > =
> On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 01:42:13PM +0100, Mark Wielaard wrote: > > > Mark Wielaard skribis: > > > > Yes, I believe we are nitpicking at this point. And we do seem to > > > > agree. But if we are nitpicking anyway, then I would keep it short = and > > > > to the point. Shorter is better: > > > > > > > > The GNU Project adopts policies that encourage and enable develop= ers > > > > to actively defend user freedom. These policies include using > > > > /copyleft licenses/, designed to ensure that users=E2=80=99 freed= oms cannot > > > > be stripped off, when appropriate. > =
> this looks very good to me now! The paragraph posed problems since we tri= ed > to define a consistent policy, and our current practice is somewhat ad-ho= c, > with a few exceptions when there are good reasons. I think your text capt= ures > the spirit better, and allows for concrete policies to potentially be def= ined > elsewhere.
That GNU project does not need "social contract" has already been discussed and is off-topic in my opinion, it has not been adopted by RMS, and there is nothing you can do about it. Your attempts to take over GNU project are futile. So I don't see why you spend so much energy, I don't believe that your motivation has good intentions, I am sorry.
In regards to any kind of policy changings or enforcing, you cannot impose new policies that are contradictory to previous policies, that does not work in any organization.
Your "social contract" as attempt of hostile take over of the GNU project in itself is very poor, it is not eloquent, authors did not take care of definitions and writing, it is too general, not specific, it is creating mess, not order.
Example is that you wish to impose GNU GPL licenses only for free software, while GNU project acknowledges other free software licenses and may recommend them for certain type of works, please see: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses
> > Thanks. Attached is an updated version and a diff with this change and > > a few other small nitpicks mainly aimed at making the text more > > concise. > =
> Great, this all looks good to me.
Imagination is free and does not require any licenses.
The fact is that "social contract" is not necessary and not welcome in GNU, as it is successful project in itself that caused thousands of other projects to come into existence for reasons that it did not have any coercion over individuals like your "social contract" imposes. It is for reason that GNU project allowed individuals to contribute in the way and manner how those individuals decided to be, and GNU project never discriminated by any reason, even if those maintainers or programmers have been programming proprietary software in their free time, or have been supporting "open source" branding of software that has the agenda to promote corporations and not freedom. So it does not matter in GNU project who is who, everybody is welcome to contribute.
Lack of a "social contract" is the feature of GNU project.
Jean
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