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DATE | 2020-01-30 |
FROM | Ruben Safir
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SUBJECT | Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You might find this to be of interest
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From hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Thu Jan 30 16:44:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Delivered-To: archive-at-mrbrklyn.com Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (www2.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.82]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198E2161132; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:44:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Delivered-To: hangout-at-nylxs.com Received: from [10.0.0.62] (www.mrbrklyn.com [96.57.23.83]) by mrbrklyn.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C22161132; Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:44:43 -0500 (EST) To: baruchd References: <20200130165415.GA9614-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <34A91D21-B240-463A-A685-6B9DFA83F23A-at-optonline.net> From: Ruben Safir Message-ID: <9ce18264-d8de-cad3-d2bc-056aceafd4f2-at-mrbrklyn.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:42:23 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <34A91D21-B240-463A-A685-6B9DFA83F23A-at-optonline.net> Content-Language: en-US Cc: hangout-at-nylxs.com Subject: Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] You might find this to be of interest X-BeenThere: hangout-at-nylxs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: NYLXS Tech Talk and Politics List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Errors-To: hangout-bounces-at-nylxs.com Sender: "Hangout"
On 1/30/20 2:08 PM, baruchd wrote: > There is an observation that the brain as a filter of extraneous informat= ion is one the chief functions the brain. When one considers the enormous a= mount of impulses the brain receives every moment, then a filter that exclu= des the irrelevant is critical to normal functioning. There is another cons= ideration; namely, that our brain is capable of much more than is commonly = considered or utilized. The uncanny mental feats of idiot savants screams f= or a new paradigm of what is a human being. Darwin dominated thinking stifl= es the possibility of achieving such a paradigm. > =
good!
here is the vidoe I ment, not the other one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2DIl3Hfh9tY
>> On Jan 30, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Ruben Safir wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 11:27:14AM -0500, baruchd wrote: >>> http://nautil.us/issue/81/maps/an-existential-crisis-in-neuroscience?ut= m_source=3Dpocket-newtab sis-in-neuroscience?utm_source=3Dpocket-newtab> >> >> >> This is a major read that requires a serious sit down. Facinating >> philosophical intergotive from scientific research. >> >> The key line: >> =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93And maybe there=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s something = fundamental about that idea: that no >> machine can have an output more sophisticated than itself,=C3=A2=E2=82= =AC=C2=9D Lichtman >> said. =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93What a car does is trivial compared to its en= gineering. What a >> human brain does is trivial compared to its engineering. Which is the >> great irony here. We have this false belief there=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84= =A2s nothing in the >> universe that humans can=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t understand because we = have infinite >> intelligence. But if I asked you if your dog can understand something >> you=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2d say, =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=CB=9CWell, my dog=C3= =A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2s brain is small.=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2 Well, your b= rain is only a >> little bigger,=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=9D he continued, chuckling. =C3=A2=E2= =82=AC=C5=93Why, suddenly, are you able to >> understand everything?=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C2=9D >> >> >> There is a fundemental flaw in this statement though. It runs amock >> with the Turing Principle which says, all computational systems are >> fundemenally equal. OTOH, I always say that our brains are only slight >> bit more efficent than a monkey or even a mouse. But it is enough to >> reach the tipping point where humans can create culture and through >> culture, process logic. We use our brains for much more than it was >> designed for and hence all the mental illness. >> >> Ruben >> >> -- =
>> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town >> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological >> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 >> http://www.mrbrklyn.com =
>> >> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 >> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software >> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive =
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>> >> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, =
>> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 >>
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So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
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