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DATE 2020-09-22
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] waiting for a change of party for the Chinese
wsj.com
WSJ News Exclusive | Chinese Leaders Split Over Releasing Blacklist of
U.S. Companies
Lingling Wei
9-11 minutes

Beijing has sped up development of a blacklist that could be used to
punish American technology firms, but officials say leaders are
hesitating to pull the trigger, with some arguing a decision on the list
should wait until after the U.S. election.

The debate highlights Beijing’s continued grappling with how to respond
to the Trump administration without driving the relationship closer to
collapse.

So far, the Chinese leadership has tried to respond in kind to
Washington’s actions but has tried to avoid measures that go beyond
those of the U.S. A well-timed strike can sometimes work in Beijing’s
and Chinese companies’ favor. After President Trump’s campaign for a
U.S. company to take over video-sharing app TikTok, Chinese regulators
rolled out new export-control rules that have helped TikTok parent
ByteDance Ltd. set terms that could help it avoid losing control of the
platform’s U.S. operations or crucial technology.
The Latest U.S.-China Coverage

China first announced its plan to create a blacklist of U.S. entities in
May 2019, soon after the U.S. restricted telecom giant Huawei
Technologies Co.’s access to U.S. components and technology. But Beijing
refrained from specifying any companies or individuals for the list as
both countries’ trade negotiators were engaged in the talks that
eventually led to the signing of a “phase one” trade agreement in January.

As the Trump administration has intensified its attacks on some of
China’s best-known companies—also including Tencent Holdings Inc., which
runs the WeChat messaging and payments app—the list has gained urgency.

In recent weeks, according to people with knowledge of the matter, an
interagency group led by Vice Premier Hu Chunhua, who oversees foreign
investment and trade, has stepped up finalization of the
“unreliable-entity” list—China’s answer to the U.S.’s list of Chinese
entities it is targeting for sanctions.

China’s Commerce Ministry gave more details Saturday indicating a list
was near completion, saying blacklisted companies and individuals would
be banned from both selling to and buying from China, and from investing
in the country. However, it again refrained from disclosing any names.
The ministry said in its statement that the list is “strictly limited to
a very small number of illegal foreign entities.”

Officials are now debating when or whether to publish the list, with
some arguing it shouldn’t be done before the U.S. election.

Under the leadership of Xi Jinping, the Chinese government is seeking
ways to retaliate against Trump administration actions without
inflicting irreparable harm.
Photo: Li Xueren/Xinhua/Zuma Press

It is one of Beijing’s trickiest balancing acts under President Xi
Jinping as the Chinese leadership weighs how to hit back at Washington
without inflicting irreparable damage, either to the two countries’
relationship or to China’s own economy and industries.

“They’ve been very disciplined not to be baited to do something too
egregious against U.S. companies,” says Paul Triolo, head of global
technology policy at Eurasia Group, a New York-based consulting firm.

When it first started preparing the list, China looked at how much its
own technology companies rely on American suppliers, according to people
familiar with the matter. Relations have deteriorated rapidly since
then. The White House has piled one measure targeting China on top of
another, in areas from human rights and national security to finance and
technology. Beijing has retaliated each time. Chinese officials say Mr.
Xi, powerful as he is, must account for growing anti-American sentiment
within China.

A team led by Mr. Hu has in the past few weeks asked a handful of
ministries—including the top economic-planning agency, the Commerce
Ministry, the Cybersecurity Administration and the antitrust
regulator—each to submit names of companies to be included on the list,
the people familiar with the matter said. Those named by each ministry
would make the final list.

One U.S. company that so far has made all the individual lists is Cisco
Systems, the people said. The maker of networking equipment, which
competes with Huawei, already has lost contracts to supply some of its
long-term Chinese customers, such as China’s large state-owned telecom
carriers.

Cisco said in a statement, “We look forward to many more years of
engagement in China.”

Some senior officials, including Vice Premier Liu He, Beijing’s chief
trade negotiator with Washington, now fear that publishing the list
could provoke the U.S. to take even harsher measures and argue a
decision should wait until after the U.S. election. Recent news reports
that Mr. Trump might sanction more Chinese firms including chip maker
Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp., e-commerce giant
Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. and state telecom carrier China Mobile have
sent Chinese stocks sharply lower.
The tech battle between the U.S. and China has battered TikTok and
Huawei and startled American companies that produce and sell in China.
WSJ explains how Beijing is pouring money into high-tech chips as it
wants to become self-sufficient. Video/Illustration: George Downs/The
Wall Street Journal

Many in China are hoping to reset relations with the U.S. should
Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden defeat Mr. Trump. In their
view, the strategic rivalry between the two sides is here to stay, but
there are areas where Beijing could work with a Biden administration.
For example, Mr. Biden has laid out plans to increase engagement with
China over regional issues such as Afghanistan, Iran and North Korea.
Mr. Biden would also likely engage China in dealing with climate change.

“At least it might be possible for everybody to work under the
multilateral institutions with Biden while, currently, things are being
pushed to extremes,” a senior government adviser in Beijing said.

Mr. Xi’s priority for the next two years or so is to prevent any
challenges to his hold on power in the run-up to the next leadership
shuffle slated for late 2022. A mishandling of the U.S.-China
relationship could hurt him politically at home.

Jacob Parker, senior vice president at the U.S.-China Business Council,
a group representing more than 200 American companies, said a Chinese
blacklist “will exacerbate the damage being done to American companies
doing business with China.”

China first announced plans to create a blacklist of U.S. entities in
May 2019, soon after the White House curbed telecom giant Huawei’s
access to U.S. gear.
Photo: michele tantussi/Reuters

Meantime, Chinese authorities already are punishing U.S. companies doing
business in China. Since last year, firms including DuPont have been
dropped from procurement lists by companies such as Huawei. In recent
months, authorities even directed Chinese companies to pay penalties to
break contracts with their U.S. suppliers, according to American executives.

Still, Beijing is wary of scaring off foreign companies at a time of
rising unemployment pressures. China also needs foreign imports,
especially of semiconductors and other high-tech gear.

Last month, Mr. Hu personally invited American and European industry
groups to what some participants described as a “love fest” to assure
them of continued access to Chinese markets.

Write to Lingling Wei at lingling.wei-at-wsj.com


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  81. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  82. 2020-09-20 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  83. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  84. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  85. 2020-09-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] EU never mises a chance to screw with the Jews
  86. 2020-09-20 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] secondary DNS servers
  87. 2020-09-20 Akash Rao via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] blured text on PDF-export
  88. 2020-09-20 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] blured text on PDF-export
  89. 2020-09-18 Kenny Mann via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  90. 2020-09-20 Alex via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] blured text on PDF-export
  91. 2020-09-07 Kenny Mann via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  92. 2020-09-07 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Is it possible to run GIMP 2.8.10
  93. 2020-09-06 Nicholas Saunders via ekiga-list <ekiga-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Ekiga-list] sip address
  94. 2020-09-07 Eugen Dedu <eugen.dedu-at-univ-fcomte.fr> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Ekiga-list] Fwd: Re: sip address
  95. 2020-09-17 Daniel Smith via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  96. 2020-09-17 From: =?utf-8?q?Jehan_Pag=C3=A8s_via_gimp-user-list?= Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  97. 2020-09-05 Mark Sandridge via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Unintended post
  98. 2020-09-04 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  99. 2020-09-04 Kenny Mann via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  100. 2020-09-04 Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  101. 2020-09-04 Kenny Mann via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  102. 2020-09-04 Michael Schumacher <schumaml-at-gmx.de> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  103. 2020-09-04 Techno <techno6-at-glib.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Issues with text along path
  104. 2020-09-05 Akash Rao via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Unintended post
  105. 2020-09-04 Akash Rao via gimp-user-list <gimp-user-list-at-gnome.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Issues with text along path
  106. 2020-09-04 Techno <techno6-at-glib.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Issues with text along path
  107. 2020-09-05 Elle Stone <ellestone-at-ninedegreesbelow.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  108. 2020-09-05 Elle Stone <ellestone-at-ninedegreesbelow.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16
  109. 2020-09-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Why Vaccines Are Essential to Herd Immunity
  110. 2020-09-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] What It Would Take for Herd Immunity to Stop the
  111. 2020-09-21 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #478 - Blogging for Perl?
  112. 2020-09-21 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #478 - Blogging for Perl?
  113. 2020-09-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] need a job?
  114. 2020-09-21 Ruben Safir <ruben.safir-at-my.liu.edu> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Learn_Data_and_AI_with_O=27Re?=
  115. 2020-09-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NYLXS Library
  116. 2020-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Running on the record
  117. 2020-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] US Supreme Court and Elections
  118. 2020-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] waiting for a change of party for the Chinese
  119. 2020-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] and just as a reminder of who we are dealing with
  120. 2020-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] NYC targeting Jewish neighborhoods for extra
  121. 2020-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] NYC targeting Jewish neighborhoods for extra
  122. 2020-09-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] NYC targeting Jewish neighborhoods for extra
  123. 2020-09-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] good news on vaccines
  124. 2020-09-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] isp immunity under threat...
  125. 2020-09-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] isp immunity under threat...
  126. 2020-09-23 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  127. 2020-09-23 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  128. 2020-09-23 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  129. 2020-09-23 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  130. 2020-09-23 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  131. 2020-09-23 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  132. 2020-09-20 Ruben Safir via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] secondary DNS servers
  133. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  134. 2020-09-20 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  135. 2020-09-20 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  136. 2020-09-23 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  137. 2020-09-23 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  138. 2020-09-23 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  139. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] artix-general Digest, Vol 19,
  140. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  141. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  142. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  143. 2020-09-20 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  144. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  145. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  146. 2020-09-20 charliebrownau via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] artix-general Digest, Vol 19,
  147. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  148. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  149. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  150. 2020-09-20 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  151. 2020-09-20 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  152. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  153. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  154. 2020-09-19 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  155. 2020-09-19 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  156. 2020-09-19 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  157. 2020-09-23 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  158. 2020-09-20 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  159. 2020-09-19 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting laptop
  160. 2020-09-20 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  161. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] artix-general Digest, Vol 19,
  162. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] alsa failing on boot for
  163. 2020-09-20 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] artix-general Digest, Vol 19,
  164. 2020-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] New Wrinkle on the shooting war over policing
  165. 2020-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] The face of the new Europe
  166. 2020-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] what peace talks?
  167. 2020-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Chinese Military Agression
  168. 2020-09-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] War on the Jews taking a real uptake
  169. 2020-09-24 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  170. 2020-09-24 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  171. 2020-09-24 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  172. 2020-09-24 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  173. 2020-09-16 James Smith <js5-at-sanger.ac.uk> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl [EXT]
  174. 2020-09-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Build failure
  175. 2020-09-14 From: "Patrick Mevzek" <pat-at-patoche.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  176. 2020-09-14 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  177. 2020-09-14 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  178. 2020-09-14 Wesley Peng <wpeng-at-pobox.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  179. 2020-09-14 Wesley Peng <wpeng-at-pobox.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  180. 2020-09-14 Wesley Peng <wpeng-at-pobox.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  181. 2020-09-14 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  182. 2020-09-13 Wesley Peng <wpeng-at-pobox.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  183. 2020-09-14 Adam Prime <adam.prime-at-utoronto.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  184. 2020-09-14 Adam Prime <adam.prime-at-utoronto.ca> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  185. 2020-09-14 Mithun Bhattacharya <mithnb-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] cache a object in modperl
  186. 2020-09-08 From: "Edward J. Sabol" <edwardjsabol-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Apache2::Cookie and SameSite
  187. 2020-09-11 Emerson Gomes <emerson.gomes-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Build failure
  188. 2020-09-07 Andrew Green <andrew-at-article7.co.uk> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Apache2::Cookie and SameSite
  189. 2020-09-24 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  190. 2020-09-24 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  191. 2020-09-24 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  192. 2020-09-24 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  193. 2020-09-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] mutation into a superbug and Faucci
  194. 2020-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] California making gas powered cars illegal
  195. 2020-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Looks like the second wave is starting
  196. 2020-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] COVID-19 Central - Boro Park
  197. 2020-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Who is our trading partner in China?
  198. 2020-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Charlie Hebdo
  199. 2020-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Daniel Pearl trial in Pakistan
  200. 2020-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Creating a Permanent AI controlled Survailence
  201. 2020-09-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Permentent Take over of Streets by resturants in
  202. 2020-09-27 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Looks like the second wave is
  203. 2020-09-27 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Looks like the second wave is
  204. 2020-09-27 aviva <aviva-at-gmx.us> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [ Docs ] Looks like the second wave is
  205. 2020-09-27 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  206. 2020-09-27 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  207. 2020-09-27 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  208. 2020-09-27 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  209. 2020-09-28 Gabor Szabo <gabor-at-szabgab.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Perlweekly] #479 - Muhammad and the mountain
  210. 2020-09-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Control of Digital medical devices...
  211. 2020-09-29 NYOUG <execdir-at-nyoug.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] Upcoming Events for Oracle Professionals
  212. 2020-09-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] collecting your information for you own good -
  213. 2020-09-30 From: "Liam R. E. Quin" <liam-at-fromoldbooks.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  214. 2020-09-30 Liam R E Quin <liam-at-holoweb.net> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  215. 2020-09-30 From: =?UTF-8?B?w5h5dmluZCBLb2zDpXM=?= <pippin-at-gimp.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [Gimp-user] Orientations, Copyright Notices,
  216. 2020-09-30 Javier via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  217. 2020-09-30 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [s6] not booting/rebooting
  218. 2020-09-30 Dudemanguy via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [Artix] [RFC] s6-dns and
  219. 2020-09-30 Jacob Moody via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [Artix] [RFC] s6-dns and
  220. 2020-09-30 Kian Kasad via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [Artix] [RFC] s6-dns and
  221. 2020-09-30 cromer--- via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [Artix] [RFC] s6-dns and
  222. 2020-09-30 Jacob Moody via artix-general <artix-general-at-artixlinux.org> Subject: [Hangout - NYLXS] [artix-general] [Artix] [RFC] s6-dns and
  223. 2020-09-24 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Running on the record
  224. 2020-09-22 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] NYC targeting Jewish neighborhoods for extra
  225. 2020-09-22 mayer ilovitz <pmamayeri-at-gmail.com> Re: [Hangout - NYLXS] Running on the record

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