MESSAGE
| DATE | 2004-01-28 |
| FROM | Adam Kosmin
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| SUBJECT | Re: [hangout] Another response to Jay
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Good. I'm there.
Adam
Mike Richardson - (NYLXS: President) (miker-at-mrbrklyn.com) wrote:
" thats one of the topics for lake placid.
"
" On Tue, 27 Jan 2004, Adam Kosmin wrote:
"
" >
" > Yep. Understood.
" >
" > What is NYLXS' postition? Will we support an expo that advocates the
" > Open Source campaign or are we prepared to dedicate our resources to one
" > that promotes Free Software (and isn't embarrassed to say so).
" >
" > I ask because I want to be sure that I'm onboard with the rest of the
" > crew that plans to attend this weekend's meeting at Lake Placid.
" >
" > Thanks,
" >
" > Adam
" >
" > Michael Richardson (MRichardson-at-abc.state.ny.us) wrote:
" > "
" > " This group only had one meeting. The next meeting should determine what the
" > " focus is.
" > "
" > " -----Original Message-----
" > " From: Adam Kosmin [mailto:akosmin-at-nyc.rr.com]
" > " Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:16 PM
" > " To: Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT
" > " Cc: hangout-at-nylxs.com
" > " Subject: Re: [hangout] Another response to Jay
" > "
" > "
" > "
" > " This looks bad. Although I did not hear Jay's original comments, I'm
" > " dissapointed with the agenda I see below. Therefore, I pose this
" > " question to the group:
" > "
" > " What is the focus of the upcoming conference/expo?
" > "
" > " If Open Source is the focus, I'll go my own way simply because I believe
" > " that the Open Source campaign is doing great damage by bastardizing the
" > " efforts of the Free Software movement.
" > "
" > " If Free Sofware is the focus, then I will support it.
" > "
" > " Adam Kosmin
" > "
" > "
" > "
" > " Mike Richardson - (NYLXS: President) (miker-at-mrbrklyn.com) wrote:
" > " "
" > " "
" > " "
" > " " On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Mike Richardson - NYLXS PRESIDENT wrote:
" > " "
" > " " >
" > " " >
" > " " > On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, John Bajana-Bacalle wrote:
" > " " >
" > " " > > * George Rosamond [20040125 22:49]:
" > " " > > > jay:
" > " " > > >
" > " " > > > it's clear you've missed the entire point of this operation.
" > " " > > >
" > " " > > > i understand you walked in an hour and a half late into the meeting,
" > " but
" > " " > > > we have collectively decided to proceed in a certain direction.
" > " " > > >
" > " " > > > if you and/or your organization are not on the same page and you'd
" > " " > > > rather take you energies elsewhere, that's fine.
" > " " > > >
" > " " > > > we are planning to organize a technical conference for august 2005.
" > " " > > >
" > " " > > > it is not a debate about licensing, it's not a counter-cultural
" > " " > > > gathering.
" > " " > > >
" > " " > > > what i gathered from the meeting, which i did attend in its
" > " entirety, is
" > " " > > > that everyone understands that a large vacuum has been left with the
" > " " > > > likely flights of linux expo and macworld. we are looking to fill
" > " that
" > " " > > > gap, in the spirit of linuxtag, with an event that is weighed in the
" > " " > > > direction of technical issues of the day and less towards marketing.
" > " " > >
" > " " > > George's description is accurate. We aim for a LinuxTag-like
" > " conference,
" > " " > > a melange between a hacker conference and a marketing exposition, with
" > " " > > the preponderous emphasis on hardcore tech. IOW, very much a la *BSD
" > " " > > conferences throughout Europe and the rest of the world. Which is
" > " " > > LinuxTag's aim, on which we are patterning this effort.
" > " " > >
" > " " > > John
" > " " > >
" > " " > > --
" > " " > > John Bacalle
" > " " > > jbacalle-at-nylug.org
" > " john-at-unixen.org
" > " " > >
" > " " > > > democracy is about a group working together with a common point.
" > " little
" > " " > > > of your email has any connection to what has been collectively
" > " decided
" > " " > > > by this group.
" > " " > > >
" > " " > > > g
" > " " > > >
" > " " > > >
" > " " > > > ->I believe that we should aim at putting together a gathering
" > " " > > > ->this year.
" > " " > > > ->
" > " " > > > ->We should invite MOUSE and PerScolas and various food and
" > " " > > > ->ceramics and housing and music tribes and "coops" to join us.
" > " " > > > ->
" > " " > > > ->I believe the first gathering should have a limited number of
" > " " > > > ->points of attack.
" > " " > > > ->
" > " " > > > ->Suggested points of attack:
" > " " > > > ->
" > " " > > > ->1. Government procurement rules, with special attention to
" > " " > > > ->New York City Public Schools.
" > " " > > > ->
" > " " > > > ->2. Advantages of free software according to major cults:
" > " " > > > -> a. Communist
" > " " > > > -> b. Anarchist
" > " " > > > -> c. Middle of the Road Classic Soft Rock
" > " " > > > -> d. Puritan Extremist
" > " " > > > -> e. FUNKDAFUNK
" > " " > > > ->
" > " " > > > ->3. Right to own and practical power to control the computers
" > " " > > > ->in our houses.
" > " " > > > ->
" > " " > > > ->4. Radical respectability of all free software licenses,
" > " " > > > ->except the BSD style licenses, which are nearly OUTRIGHT GIFT
" > " " > > > ->DECLARATIONS and thus of such great power as to be dangerous.
" > " " > > > ->
" > " " > > > ->And we should not limit our new alliance to arranging our new
" > " " > > > ->gathering.
" > " " > > > ->
" > " " > > > ->oo--JS.
" > " " > > > ->_______________________________________________
" > " " > > > ->Orgcom mailing list
" > " " > > > ->Orgcom-at-lists.nycbug.org
" > " " > > > ->->http://lists.nycbug.org/mailman/listinfo/orgcom
" > " " > > > ->
" > " " > > >
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" > " " > >
" > " " >
" > " "
" > " " ____________________________
" > " " NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
" > " " Fair Use -
" > " " because it's either fair use or useless....
" > " " NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
" > " "
" > "
" > " --
" > "
" > " "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
" > " line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
" > " complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did contribute a
" > " lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know what
" > " it is."
" > "
" > " -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
" > " ____________________________
" > " NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
" > " Fair Use -
" > " because it's either fair use or useless....
" > " NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
" > " ____________________________
" > " NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
" > " Fair Use -
" > " because it's either fair use or useless....
" > " NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
" > "
" >
" > --
" >
" > "Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
" > line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
" > complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did contribute a
" > lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know what
" > it is."
" >
" > -- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
" >
"
"
--
"Yes, Your Honor. Now, where we are so far, in at least my
line of reasoning, is I want to walk the Court through enough of our
complaint to help the Court understand that IBM clearly did contribute a
lot of the Unix-related information into Linux. We just don't know what
it is."
-- Kevin McBride SCO vs. IBM 12/05/03
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NYLXS: New Yorker Free Software Users Scene
Fair Use -
because it's either fair use or useless....
NYLXS is a trademark of NYLXS, Inc
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