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DATE 2008-02-22
FROM From: "Joshua Zeidner"
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:35:55 -0700
From: "Joshua Zeidner"
To: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
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On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >
> >
> > No one is suggesting that. What the chorus of activists are
> > suggesting are the breaches of FISA laws. FISA laws make it difficult
> > for people to exploit our government funded surveillance programs.
> >
>
>
> Tell me more. If it is OT here, you can bring it to the NYLXS hangout
> mailing list.

Ruben,

I am truly surprised that you are not more aware of this issue!

- http://www.joshuaziender.com


>
> For what it's worth
>
> A) - privacy is not one of the constitution guaranteed rights
>
> B) - I personally couldn't care less if they are listening to
> my phone as long as they are actually protecting me from being
> nuked
>
> C) - What they would do with any information they get from me seriously
> would worry me if it was being used inapropriately, especially for someone's
> private gain.
>
> D) - The current debate has been over wiretaps of international calls
> THROUGH US systems, which really makes sense to me since SO MUCH of the
> internation phone traffic goes through the US. I don't see why the government
> should need to put a wiretap in Islamabad if the traffic is going through
> a US controlled satelite.
>
> E) - I'm worried that they are wasting resources using too large of a "net"
> Someone has to go through all those communications. They'd need to be
> targeted better than the NSA did during the Vietnam era when they just cast
> a larger and larger net without cause and wasting millions of dollars.
>
>
> Ruben


- http://www.joshuazeidner.com/

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