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DATE | 2008-02-22 |
FROM | From: "Joshua Zeidner"
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SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
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From lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Fri Feb 22 15:41:25 2008 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m1MKfNBx030040 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:41:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m1MKfMl5030036 for hangout-outgoings; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:41:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: majordomo set sender to lest-hangout-at-nylxs.com using -f Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.190]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m1MKfHCC030028 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:41:21 -0500 Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a21so431700tia.17 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:41:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dcH1TbvTxtdI3w3LgSRPrrm/N2sxaZemknb0rGVSbbA=; b=dSVifYaOx5jkuxhR+L8ICxVaLOEwW/M+ljoafEp2XzOL1Jvs+jRZnzksKC/9By7mKnGlYZCKt79I1jO2N5E2IYfmTRtOphJsDq/0836mnUcd0cwmWYGq8Uif69KesmwYguYKerCx3Jgbm441NmsyHbZJ0neqU46lD8lU7c+ZHZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ohm6kqJfrFGgy9GBifWD3OYbCF0tqDeRoGdCb320VCYzce1UBIWaWF1kehUMu9poZpgOaKlvMqwp8vaITXM/P36tag1PUMX+MIDvCydjiblDrRYMsvQhakLHnEurkPmUw03p4yVISeg/gle0MGGLWGaOMy89Q/wKVIVexmgur1Q= Received: by 10.150.196.5 with SMTP id t5mr158698ybf.109.1203712867962; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.8.13 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:41:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e8718c60802221241reefd594i27f8e76bf5acb634-at-mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:41:07 -0700 From: "Joshua Zeidner" To: "Ruben Safir" Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity Cc: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com In-Reply-To: <20080222203418.GA29871-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e8718c60802220635nb68d9d8p95bef1709742aa09-at-mail.gmail.com> <20080222154032.GA26753-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <9e8718c60802220858r595d828fs7d150870fc50912b-at-mail.gmail.com> <20080222201101.GA29614-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <9e8718c60802221217u7200b234y95ad985eceafc3d4-at-mail.gmail.com> <20080222203418.GA29871-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Sender: lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > > its the 'as long as' part that FISA was designed to enforce. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act > > > > FISA was essentially introduced as a reaction to Watergate. > > > Watergate was an attempt to rig an election. Survailence certainly can't be used for > that purpose.
from the ACLU site: http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spying/fisa.html (credible enough for you?).
'The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), born after the Watergate scandal, establishes how the government can secretly eavesdrop on Americans in their own country in intelligence investigations. It was originally passed to allow the government to collect foreign intelligence information involving communications with "agents of foreign powers."'
> > > >
> > > I don't accept blogs in general as useful places to aquire information. > > > What do you accept? the NYLUG list? :) > > The individual sources on NYLUG, especially when anotated by primary sources, is a definte step > ABOVE a blog in reliability. >
yes, I'm glad that everyone on NYLUG gives adequate citiations as a rule. ;)
- http://www.joshuazeidner.com/
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