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DATE 2008-02-22
FROM From: "Joshua Zeidner"
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
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From: "Joshua Zeidner"
To: "Ruben Safir"
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
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On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:

> >
> > its the 'as long as' part that FISA was designed to enforce.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act
> >
> > FISA was essentially introduced as a reaction to Watergate.
> >
> Watergate was an attempt to rig an election. Survailence certainly can't be used for
> that purpose.

from the ACLU site: http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spying/fisa.html
(credible enough for you?).

'The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), born after the
Watergate scandal, establishes how the government can secretly
eavesdrop on Americans in their own country in intelligence
investigations. It was originally passed to allow the government to
collect foreign intelligence information involving communications with
"agents of foreign powers."'


>
>
> >

> > > I don't accept blogs in general as useful places to aquire information.
>
> > What do you accept? the NYLUG list? :)
>
> The individual sources on NYLUG, especially when anotated by primary sources, is a definte step
> ABOVE a blog in reliability.
>

yes, I'm glad that everyone on NYLUG gives adequate citiations as a rule. ;)

- http://www.joshuazeidner.com/

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