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DATE	2008-02-22
FROM	Ruben Safir
SUBJECT	Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
From lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Fri Feb 22 15:11:06 2008 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m1MKB4Np029635 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:11:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m1MKB4Mi029634 for hangout-outgoings; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:11:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: majordomo set sender to lest-hangout-at-nylxs.com using -f Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m1MKB1Lm029630; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:11:03 -0500 Received: (from ruben-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m1MKB1SE029629; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:11:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:11:01 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: Joshua Zeidner Cc: Ruben Safir , hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity Message-ID: <20080222201101.GA29614-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <9e8718c60802220635nb68d9d8p95bef1709742aa09-at-mail.gmail.com> <20080222154032.GA26753-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <9e8718c60802220858r595d828fs7d150870fc50912b-at-mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <9e8718c60802220858r595d828fs7d150870fc50912b-at-mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 09:58:14AM -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Ruben Safir wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:35:55AM -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one is suggesting that. What the chorus of activists are > > > > > suggesting are the breaches of FISA laws. FISA laws make it difficult > > > > > for people to exploit our government funded surveillance programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell me more. If it is OT here, you can bring it to the NYLXS hangout > > > > mailing list. > > > > > > Ruben, > > > > > > I am truly surprised that you are not more aware of this issue! > > > > > > That's not how I'd view it but which part of the issue do you think I > > am not more aware of? > > Well you appear to support the opinion that breaching FISA laws are > necessary to ensure our safety. I couldn't tell you because you haven't explained the FISA laws yet, but I can tell you that as far as I'm concerned, the Government can tap any line it wants as long as they are in pursuit of people who want to explode a nuclear weapon over NYC and have the time, resources, fanatisms and means to do so. > http://blogsearch.google.com/?bl_url=http%3A%2F%2Fisen.com%2Fblog%2F&ui=blg&as_q=fisa > I don't accept blogs in general as useful places to aquire information. Why don't you explain the FISA law and your POV of how they are being violated and how that is a problem. Ruben -- http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME" "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.< You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one." © Copyright for the Digital Millennium