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| DATE | 2008-02-22 |
| FROM | Ruben Safir
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| SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:40:32 -0500
From: Ruben Safir
To: Joshua Zeidner
Cc: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
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On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:35:55AM -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > No one is suggesting that. What the chorus of activists are
> > > suggesting are the breaches of FISA laws. FISA laws make it difficult
> > > for people to exploit our government funded surveillance programs.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Tell me more. If it is OT here, you can bring it to the NYLXS hangout
> > mailing list.
>
> Ruben,
>
> I am truly surprised that you are not more aware of this issue!
That's not how I'd view it but which part of the issue do you think I
am not more aware of?
Ruben
>
> - http://www.joshuaziender.com
>
>
> >
> > For what it's worth
> >
> > A) - privacy is not one of the constitution guaranteed rights
> >
> > B) - I personally couldn't care less if they are listening to
> > my phone as long as they are actually protecting me from being
> > nuked
> >
> > C) - What they would do with any information they get from me seriously
> > would worry me if it was being used inapropriately, especially for someone's
> > private gain.
> >
> > D) - The current debate has been over wiretaps of international calls
> > THROUGH US systems, which really makes sense to me since SO MUCH of the
> > internation phone traffic goes through the US. I don't see why the government
> > should need to put a wiretap in Islamabad if the traffic is going through
> > a US controlled satelite.
> >
> > E) - I'm worried that they are wasting resources using too large of a "net"
> > Someone has to go through all those communications. They'd need to be
> > targeted better than the NSA did during the Vietnam era when they just cast
> > a larger and larger net without cause and wasting millions of dollars.
> >
> >
> > Ruben
>
>
> - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/
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