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DATE	2008-02-22
FROM	Ruben Safir
SUBJECT	Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
From lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Fri Feb 22 10:40:37 2008 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m1MFeZ3I026798 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:40:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m1MFeZl5026797 for hangout-outgoings; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:40:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: majordomo set sender to lest-hangout-at-nylxs.com using -f Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m1MFeWAa026794; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:40:34 -0500 Received: (from ruben-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m1MFeWY3026793; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:40:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:40:32 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: Joshua Zeidner Cc: hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity Message-ID: <20080222154032.GA26753-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <9e8718c60802220635nb68d9d8p95bef1709742aa09-at-mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <9e8718c60802220635nb68d9d8p95bef1709742aa09-at-mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:35:55AM -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No one is suggesting that. What the chorus of activists are > > > suggesting are the breaches of FISA laws. FISA laws make it difficult > > > for people to exploit our government funded surveillance programs. > > > > > > > > > Tell me more. If it is OT here, you can bring it to the NYLXS hangout > > mailing list. > > Ruben, > > I am truly surprised that you are not more aware of this issue! That's not how I'd view it but which part of the issue do you think I am not more aware of? Ruben > > - http://www.joshuaziender.com > > > > > > For what it's worth > > > > A) - privacy is not one of the constitution guaranteed rights > > > > B) - I personally couldn't care less if they are listening to > > my phone as long as they are actually protecting me from being > > nuked > > > > C) - What they would do with any information they get from me seriously > > would worry me if it was being used inapropriately, especially for someone's > > private gain. > > > > D) - The current debate has been over wiretaps of international calls > > THROUGH US systems, which really makes sense to me since SO MUCH of the > > internation phone traffic goes through the US. I don't see why the government > > should need to put a wiretap in Islamabad if the traffic is going through > > a US controlled satelite. > > > > E) - I'm worried that they are wasting resources using too large of a "net" > > Someone has to go through all those communications. They'd need to be > > targeted better than the NSA did during the Vietnam era when they just cast > > a larger and larger net without cause and wasting millions of dollars. > > > > > > Ruben > > > - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ -- http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME" "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.< You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one." © Copyright for the Digital Millennium