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DATE 2008-02-22
FROM From: "Joshua Zeidner"
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:17:14 -0700
From: "Joshua Zeidner"
To: "Ruben Safir" , hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com
Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
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On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 09:58:14AM -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:35:55AM -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No one is suggesting that. What the chorus of activists are
> > > > > > suggesting are the breaches of FISA laws. FISA laws make it difficult
> > > > > > for people to exploit our government funded surveillance programs.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tell me more. If it is OT here, you can bring it to the NYLXS hangout
> > > > > mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > Ruben,
> > > >
> > > > I am truly surprised that you are not more aware of this issue!
> > >
> > >
> > > That's not how I'd view it but which part of the issue do you think I
> > > am not more aware of?
> >
> > Well you appear to support the opinion that breaching FISA laws are
> > necessary to ensure our safety.
>
> I couldn't tell you because you haven't explained the FISA laws yet, but I can
> tell you that as far as I'm concerned, the Government can tap any line it wants
> as long as they are in pursuit of people who want to explode a nuclear weapon
> over NYC and have the time, resources, fanatisms and means to do so.



its the 'as long as' part that FISA was designed to enforce.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act

FISA was essentially introduced as a reaction to Watergate.



>
>
>
> > http://blogsearch.google.com/?bl_url=http%3A%2F%2Fisen.com%2Fblog%2F&ui=blg&as_q=fisa
> >
>
> I don't accept blogs in general as useful places to aquire information.



What do you accept? the NYLUG list? :)

- http://www.joshuazeidner.com/

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