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DATE | 2008-02-22 |
FROM | From: "Joshua Zeidner"
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SUBJECT | Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
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From lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Fri Feb 22 15:17:49 2008 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m1MKHkcc029735 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:17:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m1MKHkt8029731 for hangout-outgoings; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:17:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: majordomo set sender to lest-hangout-at-nylxs.com using -f Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.189]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m1MKHd02029721 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:17:44 -0500 Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a21so424076tia.17 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:17:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7zLpED7XC2bdCuhGME7AuXSXEttoOOsZFvxS92sZsSQ=; b=dY5N4o54ZZ73l3E3eKW2eZMPhII5Guj/RGzzC9fXyiG6ACrv9xwVQYyw91LBq5jATaEVL1BCKI2HMrXiZVP2m3V8B/PmJc7Fqy6IBRr+GtoGaqPHWOUCsMQT5d/YeOAFd1ipXfR9CYDLtxcwD84G5pkb64SYnIWQaywbJAD7A0c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=peoRAdRo2C7ON4ayj8khoQYcQzoqH3P4NmCla7UJiA2tGNgUYDAPiswpFjaNOjDWjZLTjRKS0ZxNmODD1EOxssazR4RYt+vuxuIGsT+Vsj32T4CzBCsj6tMXRc4ryzGudz5/SguJQ8/jI8UmUWqeNBvYAsMCGiuZLnIBzvISmlY= Received: by 10.150.58.5 with SMTP id g5mr151209yba.89.1203711434869; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:17:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.8.13 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:17:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e8718c60802221217u7200b234y95ad985eceafc3d4-at-mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:17:14 -0700 From: "Joshua Zeidner" To: "Ruben Safir" , hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity In-Reply-To: <20080222201101.GA29614-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e8718c60802220635nb68d9d8p95bef1709742aa09-at-mail.gmail.com> <20080222154032.GA26753-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <9e8718c60802220858r595d828fs7d150870fc50912b-at-mail.gmail.com> <20080222201101.GA29614-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> Sender: lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 09:58:14AM -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 07:35:55AM -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 6:40 PM, Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one is suggesting that. What the chorus of activists are > > > > > > suggesting are the breaches of FISA laws. FISA laws make it difficult > > > > > > for people to exploit our government funded surveillance programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell me more. If it is OT here, you can bring it to the NYLXS hangout > > > > > mailing list. > > > > > > > > Ruben, > > > > > > > > I am truly surprised that you are not more aware of this issue! > > > > > > > > > That's not how I'd view it but which part of the issue do you think I > > > am not more aware of? > > > > Well you appear to support the opinion that breaching FISA laws are > > necessary to ensure our safety. > > I couldn't tell you because you haven't explained the FISA laws yet, but I can > tell you that as far as I'm concerned, the Government can tap any line it wants > as long as they are in pursuit of people who want to explode a nuclear weapon > over NYC and have the time, resources, fanatisms and means to do so.
its the 'as long as' part that FISA was designed to enforce.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act
FISA was essentially introduced as a reaction to Watergate.
> > > > > http://blogsearch.google.com/?bl_url=http%3A%2F%2Fisen.com%2Fblog%2F&ui=blg&as_q=fisa > > > > I don't accept blogs in general as useful places to aquire information.
What do you accept? the NYLUG list? :)
- http://www.joshuazeidner.com/
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