|FROM ||Ruben Safir
|SUBJECT ||Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
|On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 01:41:07PM -0700, Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > >
> > > its the 'as long as' part that FISA was designed to enforce.
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act
> > >
> > > FISA was essentially introduced as a reaction to Watergate.
> > >
> > Watergate was an attempt to rig an election. Survailence certainly can't be used for
> > that purpose.
> from the ACLU site: http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spying/fisa.html
> (credible enough for you?).
> 'The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), born after the
> Watergate scandal, establishes how the government can secretly
> eavesdrop on Americans in their own country in intelligence
> investigations. It was originally passed to allow the government to
> collect foreign intelligence information involving communications with
> "agents of foreign powers."'
How is it being broken?
> > >
> > > > I don't accept blogs in general as useful places to aquire information.
> > > What do you accept? the NYLUG list? :)
> > The individual sources on NYLUG, especially when anotated by primary sources, is a definte step
> > ABOVE a blog in reliability.
> yes, I'm glad that everyone on NYLUG gives adequate citiations as a rule. ;)
If you look at the archives, you'll see tat historically people do pull out
annotation when flame wars break out. Look up some of the long arguments over
DRM and Copyright law.
We now know each other as old aquantences after all these years.
> - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/
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"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."
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