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DATE	2008-02-22
FROM	Ruben Safir
SUBJECT	Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity
From lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Fri Feb 22 15:34:24 2008 Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m1MKYL9i029913 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:34:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m1MKYLqo029912 for hangout-outgoings; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:34:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www2.mrbrklyn.com: majordomo set sender to lest-hangout-at-nylxs.com using -f Received: from www2.mrbrklyn.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id m1MKYIEd029909; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:34:20 -0500 Received: (from ruben-at-localhost) by www2.mrbrklyn.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m1MKYIRP029908; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:34:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:34:18 -0500 From: Ruben Safir To: Joshua Zeidner Cc: Ruben Safir , hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Subject: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] FISA and Telco Immunity Message-ID: <20080222203418.GA29871-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <9e8718c60802220635nb68d9d8p95bef1709742aa09-at-mail.gmail.com> <20080222154032.GA26753-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <9e8718c60802220858r595d828fs7d150870fc50912b-at-mail.gmail.com> <20080222201101.GA29614-at-www2.mrbrklyn.com> <9e8718c60802221217u7200b234y95ad985eceafc3d4-at-mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <9e8718c60802221217u7200b234y95ad985eceafc3d4-at-mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: lest-hangout-at-mrbrklyn.com Precedence: bulk > > > > I couldn't tell you because you haven't explained the FISA laws yet, but I can > > tell you that as far as I'm concerned, the Government can tap any line it wants > > as long as they are in pursuit of people who want to explode a nuclear weapon > > over NYC and have the time, resources, fanatisms and means to do so. > > > > its the 'as long as' part that FISA was designed to enforce. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act > > FISA was essentially introduced as a reaction to Watergate. > Watergate was an attempt to rig an election. Survailence certainly can't be used for that purpose. > > > > > > > > > > > http://blogsearch.google.com/?bl_url=http%3A%2F%2Fisen.com%2Fblog%2F&ui=blg&as_q=fisa > > > > > > > I don't accept blogs in general as useful places to aquire information. > > > > What do you accept? the NYLUG list? :) The individual sources on NYLUG, especially when anotated by primary sources, is a definte step ABOVE a blog in reliability. Ruben > > > > necessary to ensure our safety. > - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ -- http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME" "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society." "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.< You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one." © Copyright for the Digital Millennium