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MESSAGE
DATE 2008-04-07
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:44:36 -0400
From: Ruben Safir
To: April Centrone
Cc: Ruben Safir
Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
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On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 01:05:42PM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> Hi Rubin,
> I'm not sure I understood your email fully. So where are you
> posting/archiving the video? We are proceeding forward as usual I assume..
> thanks,
> April
>


I have a political organization called New Yorkers for Fair Use. It fights
against restrictive copyright laws. I wouldn't sign any copyright contracts.

I believe that restrictive copyrights, especially in the digital arena, obstructs
education, economic development, impedes cultural exchange, and endangers creatitivy.

Furthermore, I talked at length to your cameraman. He said that Basaam was very slow
in signing even the consent for an interview. That is just bizzare because the boy,
I forgot his name, doesn't need a consent for an interview in the first place.
No one can tell him what he can and can not write. This really gets twisted.

Regardless, what your trying to accomplish, cultural exchange and education is
absolutely inconsistant with the position Basaam has taken, and frankly, I'm
offended by sentence "We are legally bound, and there are repercussions".

I have about a dozen lawyers who work with NY Fair Use.

You are NOT legally bound and I certainly wouldn't get involved with
any contractial agreements which would make me legally bound.

We will put the tape into our archive. We have no reasonable fair use
purpose for any of it's content at the moment, but it is footage of
authentic middle eastern classical music and it might come in handy
for something important some day.

Meanwhile, the spirit of this is not conduscive to your mission. It's completely
contrary to mine. You might not relize that yet, but your a bright women,
and eventually you'll figure that out.

Keep in mind, the entire genera of Jazz would not have developed if faced
with this kind of legal bluster.

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our
own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

I'm not a sharecropper.

Ruben



> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:32 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 12:42:14AM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> > > Hi Rubin,
> > >
> > > Thanks so much for attending last Thursday. Did you set up the video?
> > It's
> > > very important that it is not broadcasted, and not just because we are
> > > perfectionists. :)
> > >
> > > We are legally bound, and there are repercussions if it's let out
> > without
> > > being approved and signed off by contract. This private area on your
> > site
> > > sounds satisfactory. The camera man we had we personally hired. Even
> > > allowed by invitation to tape, he still had to sign a contract ensuring
> > > there would be no private distribution.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Yeah - I'm not going to do that because I find that to be imoral
> > in principle. I spoke to the kid on the subway hope and he made
> > clear that its too difficult to get anything done with regard to
> > promotion and education with the ensemble and/or school. I would
> > never ever sign such a contract.
> >
> > I don't have time to educate anyone right now on the damage such
> > use of copyright poses to public education, not to mention the
> > damage it does to promotion of individual artists and schools,
> > but I'm going to back off this project for other artists and
> > educational programs that permit collaberation and education.
> >
> > I'm cc'ing Michael on this. We'll likely to just privately archive
> > the tape since I hate to destroy information.
> >
> > Good luck April. Your very very talented.
> >
> > Ruben
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> >
> > So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
> > Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
> > Safir 1998
> >
> > http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
> > Safir 2002
> >
> > "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> >
> > "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
> > our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own
> > society."
> >
> > "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> > damned.<
> > You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have
> > been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess
> > you missed that one."
> >
> > (c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> >
>
>
>

--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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  94. 2008-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
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  98. 2008-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Attack on the NYLXS Server
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  100. 2008-04-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Attack on the NYLXS Server
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