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They want funding from Microsoft and the gates foudation. To get it they
must run MS Windows. Also if you remember Microsoft is willing to go to
a zero dollor licence fee for educational use if nessisary. In shure
they work out just such a deal with OLPC.
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 8:44 am, Michael L. Richardson.com wrote:
> Sounds like "You can have a Ford any color you want so long as it is
> Check this out: www.globalabundanceprogram.com/mlr52
> Check this out: www.globalabundanceprogram.com/mlr52
> ..... Original Message .......
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:06:58 -0400 Ruben Safir
>> This just turns my stomach
>> OLPC Switch to Windows on XO Is 'muddled,' Developers Say
>> Find a Review Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:30 PM PDT
>> Open-source developers should stop bickering, unite and jointly develop
>> a Windows user interface to make XO laptops more appealing to users,
>> One Laptop Per Child Chairman Nicholas Negroponte has urged in a public
>> note to that community.
>> Developers in the open-source community did not take lightly to
>> Negroponte's comments, expressing outrage and questioning the judgment
>> of OLPC's shift from Linux to Windows for the XO laptop. Developers
>> called Negroponte's appeal "vague" and "demoralizing" for the future
>> development of Sugar, the user interface that currently works with
>> on XO laptops.
>> In a note on OLPC's community site, Negroponte wrote that Sugar is less
>> than perfect and needs to be developed for Windows to expand the
>> appeal. The nonprofit has engaged in discussions with Microsoft to load
>> Windows on dual-boot versions of the XO laptop.
>> "I attribute our weakness to unrealistic development goals and
>> Negroponte wrote. "Our mission has never changed. It has been to bring
>> connected laptops for learning to children in the poorest and most
>> remote locations of the world. Our mission has never been to advocate
>> the perfect learning model or pure Open Source."
>> Sugar needs to be separated from the OS core and made platform
>> Negroponte wrote. "To do that, we need to hire more developers, work
>> more together and spend less time arguing."
>> This week developers began debating XO's possible shift from Linux to
>> Windows after Monday's resignation of Walter Bender, OLPC's president
>> of software and content. Bender gained a following in the open-source
>> community by promoting open-source software for the XO despite growing
>> efforts to load the laptop with Windows XP.
>> In a note posted Monday at OLPC's community news, Bender said that he
>> was leaving to advance the quality open-source software for learning
>> would continue to work with the OLPC community "by adopting the spirit
>> and methodology of the open-source movement."
>> Observers contend that Bender left because he was less than happy with
>> OLPC's move from open source to Windows on the XO laptop. Some
>> saw it as a sign that OLPC is scaling down Sugar's development.
>> Drawing that conclusion from Bender's departure is incorrect,
>> wrote: "We are scaling Sugar up, not down."
>> Developers replied that his vision of Sugar for Windows is muddled and
>> that he is further dividing himself from OLPC's developer community.
>> "If you are not serious about Sugar on Windows within the next year,
>> please continue to avoid 'now' and use 'might' and 'someday' when you
>> talk about it, and we'll continue to try to make Sugar-on-Linux achieve
>> its potential," wrote C. Scott Ananian in a community posting at the
>> OLPC site.
>> "I approve of keeping OLPC's options open, in case your current
>> development team (myself included) cannot deliver on Sugar's potential,
>> but setting vague (and demoralizing) goals for future development --
>> without actually devoting the resources to achieve those goals -- is
>> madness. You have only succeeded in alienating the developers you need
>> to make Sugar-on-Linux work, without actually achieving any progress on
>> Sugar-on-Windows," Ananian wrote.
>> Porting Sugar, which runs on multiple Linux distributions, to Windows
>> shouldn't be hard, but the question is whether users will have the same
>> experience on both OSes, wrote Tomeu Vizoso.
>> Negroponte wrote that Sugar needs to be changed from an omelet to a
>> fried egg "with distinct yoke and white, rather than having the UI,
>> collaborative tools, power management and radios merge into one
>> Vizoso wouldn't chew on Negroponte's vision of a fried egg. "My
>> understanding is that the Sugar UI is composed of inseparable
>> because we wanted to give an integrated and coherent experience. In
>> which way are you suggesting to split Sugar?"
>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
>> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
>> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn,
>> like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the
>> world - RI Safir 1998
>> http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
>> Safir 2002
>> "Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
>> "The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers
>> to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in
>> our own society."
>> "> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
>> You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology
>> have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt.
>> I guess you missed that one."
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