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MESSAGE
DATE 2008-04-12
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 01:39:36PM -0400, Michael L. Richardson wrote:
> Rebun I have the video it is in .vob format 3.17 gigs.


I wish you didn't cc off the list for this.

Ruben

>
>
>
> Ruben Safir wrote:
> >Ah - here you are in the spam filter.
> >
> >On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 08:10:11PM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> >
> >>Ruben,
> >>
> >>I admire your passion and knowledge of the subject, but the expression
> >>is misdirected. I am not asking you to sign anything. i am not accusing
> >>you
> >>of anything. I merely asked you about where we go from here.
> >>
> >>It is not Bassam who is to blame if you want to end our progress up to
> >>this
> >>point. Bassam is a musician who has had bad experiences, he has every
> >>right
> >>to be nervous. This is his work, and we all have to bend to our colleagues
> >>sometimes, even if they are wrong or paranoid or whatever the case may be.
> >>
> >
> >I'm not sure what issues Bassam has had previously but it is axiomatic
> >on my part that I'm not going to sign anything which restricts my
> >abilty to make works available and to education, especially in light
> >of the extremely debilitary way copyright law is currently. And I need
> >open and free cooperation to help promote something, which is so time
> >consuming I can't even begin to express it.
> >
> >I don't believe that it i shwed business to close off the distribution
> >and promotion of works, especially when trying to develop schools,
> >especially
> >in a small narrow cultural segment, especially when the word 'Arabic'
> >itself
> >creates visereral negitive emotional reactions by Americans which
> >additionally
> >needs to be hopped over.
> >
> >When I suggested he was a perfectionist, it was actually a hope on my part
> >that he was artistically motivated, and not legally motivated.
> >Artistically
> >motivated I can eventually work with because I'm comited to helping people
> >with worthwhile contributions to make find ways to promote their
> >contributions
> >to society. But a legal and "business" motivation is a black hole contrary
> >to my most basic efforts (and your basic efforts as well).
> >
> >This line of thinking is a trap. If you beat people over the head wit
> >legal
> >restrictions then either they'll just ignor the law anyway and perform
> >copyright violations, or they'll just ignor you and forget about you
> >because nobody outside of a few lawyers wants to be bothered with
> >threats to be sued.
> >
> >Take some time out and lookup vitalbooks and Ruben Safir, and see the
> >Creative Commons by Lawrence Lessig, which I don't entirely agree with
> >but is a good starting point.
> >
> >Promoting creative work which are singlerly controlled by a single
> >entitey lock stock and barrel is something I don't want to promote.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I personally trusted you, that's why I got you involved. But I don't
> >>promise
> >>every creative person I am associated with also has a keen business sense
> >>and knowledge of modern-day technology.
> >>
> >
> >Of course. I've been at this now for 8 years. I think I'm aware of both
> >the terrain. I feel like a tape recorder sometimes.
> >
> >But know whati'm saying
> >
> > We intimately share our civilization. You and I, and 10 billion
> >other people who yearn for freedom, knowedge, and the ability to
> >participate
> >and share. We can work together to turn ignorance and suffering into
> >education and light, or we can chase false pretenses which hurt us all.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Let's start over and try to move forward.
> >>
> >
> >Your a very smart girl, April. Talented beyound I think even your fully
> >aware,
> >and have a huge future in store for yourself.
> >
> >You know what you have to do.
> >
> >>April
> >>
> >
> >Ruben
> >
> >>On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 01:05:42PM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Hi Rubin,
> >>>>I'm not sure I understood your email fully. So where are you
> >>>>posting/archiving the video? We are proceeding forward as usual I
> >>>>
> >>>assume..
> >>>
> >>>>thanks,
> >>>>April
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I have a political organization called New Yorkers for Fair Use. It
> >>>fights
> >>>against restrictive copyright laws. I wouldn't sign any copyright
> >>>contracts.
> >>>
> >>>I believe that restrictive copyrights, especially in the digital arena,
> >>>obstructs
> >>>education, economic development, impedes cultural exchange, and endangers
> >>>creatitivy.
> >>>
> >>>Furthermore, I talked at length to your cameraman. He said that Basaam
> >>>was very slow
> >>>in signing even the consent for an interview. That is just bizzare
> >>>because the boy,
> >>>I forgot his name, doesn't need a consent for an interview in the first
> >>>place.
> >>>No one can tell him what he can and can not write. This really gets
> >>>twisted.
> >>>
> >>>Regardless, what your trying to accomplish, cultural exchange and
> >>>education is
> >>>absolutely inconsistant with the position Basaam has taken, and frankly,
> >>>I'm
> >>>offended by sentence "We are legally bound, and there are repercussions".
> >>>
> >>>I have about a dozen lawyers who work with NY Fair Use.
> >>>
> >>>You are NOT legally bound and I certainly wouldn't get involved with
> >>>any contractial agreements which would make me legally bound.
> >>>
> >>>We will put the tape into our archive. We have no reasonable fair use
> >>>purpose for any of it's content at the moment, but it is footage of
> >>>authentic middle eastern classical music and it might come in handy
> >>>for something important some day.
> >>>
> >>>Meanwhile, the spirit of this is not conduscive to your mission. It's
> >>>completely
> >>>contrary to mine. You might not relize that yet, but your a bright
> >>>women,
> >>>and eventually you'll figure that out.
> >>>
> >>>Keep in mind, the entire genera of Jazz would not have developed if faced
> >>>with this kind of legal bluster.
> >>>
> >>>"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
> >>>our
> >>>own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own
> >>>society."
> >>>
> >>>I'm not a sharecropper.
> >>>
> >>>Ruben
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:32 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Mon, Apr 07, 2008 at 12:42:14AM -0400, April Centrone wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Hi Rubin,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Thanks so much for attending last Thursday. Did you set up the
> >>>>>>
> >>>video?
> >>>
> >>>>>It's
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>very important that it is not broadcasted, and not just because we
> >>>>>>
> >>>are
> >>>
> >>>>>>perfectionists. :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>We are legally bound, and there are repercussions if it's let out
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>without
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>being approved and signed off by contract. This private area on your
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>site
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>sounds satisfactory. The camera man we had we personally hired. Even
> >>>>>>allowed by invitation to tape, he still had to sign a contract
> >>>>>>
> >>>ensuring
> >>>
> >>>>>>there would be no private distribution.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Yeah - I'm not going to do that because I find that to be imoral
> >>>>>in principle. I spoke to the kid on the subway hope and he made
> >>>>>clear that its too difficult to get anything done with regard to
> >>>>>promotion and education with the ensemble and/or school. I would
> >>>>>never ever sign such a contract.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I don't have time to educate anyone right now on the damage such
> >>>>>use of copyright poses to public education, not to mention the
> >>>>>damage it does to promotion of individual artists and schools,
> >>>>>but I'm going to back off this project for other artists and
> >>>>>educational programs that permit collaberation and education.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I'm cc'ing Michael on this. We'll likely to just privately archive
> >>>>>the tape since I hate to destroy information.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Good luck April. Your very very talented.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Ruben
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>--
> >>>>>http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> >>>>>http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> >>>>>
> >>>>>So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn,
> >>>>>
> >>>like
> >>>
> >>>>>Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world -
> >>>>>
> >>>RI
> >>>
> >>>>>Safir 1998
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
> >>>>>Safir 2002
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers
> >>>>>
> >>>to
> >>>
> >>>>>our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our
> >>>>>
> >>>own
> >>>
> >>>>>society."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> >>>>>damned.<
> >>>>>You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology
> >>>>>
> >>>have
> >>>
> >>>>>been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I
> >>>>>
> >>>guess
> >>>
> >>>>>you missed that one."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>(c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>--
> >>> http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
> >>>http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> >>>
> >>>So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like
> >>>Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI
> >>>Safir 1998
> >>>
> >>>http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI
> >>>Safir 2002
> >>>
> >>>"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"
> >>>
> >>>"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to
> >>>our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our
> >>>own
> >>>society."
> >>>
> >>>"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be
> >>>damned.<
> >>>You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have
> >>>been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess
> >>>you missed that one."
> >>>
> >>>(c) Copyright for the Digital Millennium
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>April Centrone
> >>www.myspace.com/aprilsoprano321
> >>april.centrone-at-gmail.com
> >>732-895-5357
> >>
> >
> >

--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

© Copyright for the Digital Millennium

  1. 2008-04-01 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] This is just wrong
  2. 2008-04-01 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] This is just wrong
  3. 2008-04-01 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] outrageous behavior in the market
  4. 2008-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Travel Taxes
  5. 2008-04-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] need to refer client for Red Hat help / OLPH project]
  6. 2008-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [dplist-at-danielpipes.org: #847: Pipes asks, "Will Europe Resist Islamization?" in Jer. Post]
  7. 2008-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Congestion Tax Wars
  8. 2008-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn Congestion Price Fixing
  9. 2008-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Congestion Tax Wars II
  10. 2008-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Congestion Tax Price Fixing Web Site
  11. 2008-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fighting back and keeping our unity
  12. 2008-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Spring Agenda - Meeting Result 3-4-08: Comments Requested]
  13. 2008-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Transit Taxes
  14. 2008-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free The Subways, Because the Subways want to be FREE!
  15. 2008-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] This Pork Aint Kosher
  16. 2008-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tax the Internet
  17. 2008-04-05 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tax the Internet
  18. 2008-04-06 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tax the Internet
  19. 2008-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  20. 2008-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Congestion Travel Tax Destroyed Businesses in London
  21. 2008-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Manhattan this Friday, 4/11]
  22. 2008-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  23. 2008-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Trust the MTA. The MTA is your friend
  24. 2008-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: (Correction) Jelly in Manhattan this Friday, 4/11]
  25. 2008-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [johnmark-at-johnmark.org: [BALUG-Talk] BytesFree.org Call for Participation]
  26. 2008-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Passover
  27. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  28. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: hello]
  29. 2008-04-11 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  30. 2008-04-11 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: hello]
  31. 2008-04-11 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  32. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  33. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Summer Internship Programs
  34. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Summer Internship Programs
  35. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Music Video Conversion
  36. 2008-04-11 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Music Video Conversion
  37. 2008-04-11 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  38. 2008-04-12 From: "armando fonseca" <afonsec2-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Summer Internship Programs
  39. 2008-04-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  40. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nomadsland.com: [501 Tech Club NY] Searching for Drupal Developer for Video Delivery Website]
  41. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NNTP Usenet access
  42. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  43. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  44. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  45. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com>
  46. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Video Location
  47. 2008-04-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  48. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
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  50. 2008-04-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
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  52. 2008-04-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  53. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
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  56. 2008-04-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  57. 2008-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  58. 2008-04-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  59. 2008-04-13 From: "Victoria Berger" <victoria-at-innovision-systems.com> RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  60. 2008-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  61. 2008-04-13 From: "Victoria Berger" <victoria-at-innovision-systems.com> FW: SPAM-LOW: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  62. 2008-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fun read: [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: Re: [conspire] Parts is Parts]
  63. 2008-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The war on DVD's, Bloombergs new crusade..
  64. 2008-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ASUS PCEEE SDK
  65. 2008-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Regionalism and Your Representitives
  66. 2008-04-14 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ASUS PCEEE SDK
  67. 2008-04-14 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ASUS PCEEE SDK
  68. 2008-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ward-at-pong.be: [JOB] - FSF seeks senior GNU/Linux Systems administrator and programmer]
  69. 2008-04-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Brooklyn this Friday, 4/18]
  70. 2008-04-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] debian on eeepc
  71. 2008-04-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Passover
  72. 2008-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Council Calendar - Week of 04.21.08]
  73. 2008-04-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mission Statement: Spring Reminder
  74. 2008-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] super copyright: delayed justice?
  75. 2008-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [agravgaard-at-FLYPMEDIA.COM: Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source]
  76. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [agravgaard-at-FLYPMEDIA.COM: Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source]
  77. 2008-04-23 From: "Joshua Zeidner" <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [agravgaard-at-FLYPMEDIA.COM: Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source]
  78. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft ~~~still
  79. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
  80. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Food Rationing
  81. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hacking GNU style
  82. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good Part II
  83. 2008-04-24 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
  84. 2008-04-24 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
  85. 2008-04-24 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
  86. 2008-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
  87. 2008-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meetings
  88. 2008-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meetings
  89. 2008-04-25 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meetings
  90. 2008-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
  91. 2008-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
  92. 2008-04-26 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
  93. 2008-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
  94. 2008-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
  95. 2008-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Attack on the NYLXS Server
  96. 2008-04-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Attack on the NYLXS Server
  97. 2008-04-28 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Attack on the NYLXS Server
  98. 2008-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] EEE with Touch Screen Planned
  99. 2008-04-28 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Attack on the NYLXS Server
  100. 2008-04-28 From: "Ron Guerin" <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Attack on the NYLXS Server
  101. 2008-04-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Human Memory from HP

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