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MESSAGE
DATE 2008-04-23
FROM Ruben Safir
SUBJECT Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
This just turns my stomach

OLPC Switch to Windows on XO Is 'muddled,' Developers Say


Find a Review Wednesday, April 23, 2008 2:30 PM PDT

Open-source developers should stop bickering, unite and jointly develop
a Windows user interface to make XO laptops more appealing to users,
One Laptop Per Child Chairman Nicholas Negroponte has urged in a public
note to that community.

Developers in the open-source community did not take lightly to
Negroponte's comments, expressing outrage and questioning the judgment
of OLPC's shift from Linux to Windows for the XO laptop. Developers
called Negroponte's appeal "vague" and "demoralizing" for the future
development of Sugar, the user interface that currently works with Linux
on XO laptops.

In a note on OLPC's community site, Negroponte wrote that Sugar is less
than perfect and needs to be developed for Windows to expand the laptop's
appeal. The nonprofit has engaged in discussions with Microsoft to load
Windows on dual-boot versions of the XO laptop.

"I attribute our weakness to unrealistic development goals and practices,"
Negroponte wrote. "Our mission has never changed. It has been to bring
connected laptops for learning to children in the poorest and most
remote locations of the world. Our mission has never been to advocate
the perfect learning model or pure Open Source."

Sugar needs to be separated from the OS core and made platform agnostic,
Negroponte wrote. "To do that, we need to hire more developers, work
more together and spend less time arguing."

This week developers began debating XO's possible shift from Linux to
Windows after Monday's resignation of Walter Bender, OLPC's president
of software and content. Bender gained a following in the open-source
community by promoting open-source software for the XO despite growing
efforts to load the laptop with Windows XP.

In a note posted Monday at OLPC's community news, Bender said that he
was leaving to advance the quality open-source software for learning and
would continue to work with the OLPC community "by adopting the spirit
and methodology of the open-source movement."

Observers contend that Bender left because he was less than happy with
OLPC's move from open source to Windows on the XO laptop. Some developers
saw it as a sign that OLPC is scaling down Sugar's development.

Drawing that conclusion from Bender's departure is incorrect, Negroponte
wrote: "We are scaling Sugar up, not down."

Developers replied that his vision of Sugar for Windows is muddled and
that he is further dividing himself from OLPC's developer community.

"If you are not serious about Sugar on Windows within the next year,
please continue to avoid 'now' and use 'might' and 'someday' when you
talk about it, and we'll continue to try to make Sugar-on-Linux achieve
its potential," wrote C. Scott Ananian in a community posting at the
OLPC site.

"I approve of keeping OLPC's options open, in case your current
development team (myself included) cannot deliver on Sugar's potential,
but setting vague (and demoralizing) goals for future development --
without actually devoting the resources to achieve those goals -- is
madness. You have only succeeded in alienating the developers you need
to make Sugar-on-Linux work, without actually achieving any progress on
Sugar-on-Windows," Ananian wrote.

Porting Sugar, which runs on multiple Linux distributions, to Windows
shouldn't be hard, but the question is whether users will have the same
experience on both OSes, wrote Tomeu Vizoso.

Negroponte wrote that Sugar needs to be changed from an omelet to a
fried egg "with distinct yoke and white, rather than having the UI,
collaborative tools, power management and radios merge into one amorphous
blob."

Vizoso wouldn't chew on Negroponte's vision of a fried egg. "My
understanding is that the Sugar UI is composed of inseparable components
because we wanted to give an integrated and coherent experience. In
which way are you suggesting to split Sugar?"


--
http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Interesting Stuff
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software

So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

http://fairuse.nylxs.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002

"Yeah - I write Free Software...so SUE ME"

"The tremendous problem we face is that we are becoming sharecroppers to our own cultural heritage -- we need the ability to participate in our own society."

"> I'm an engineer. I choose the best tool for the job, politics be damned.<
You must be a stupid engineer then, because politcs and technology have been attached at the hip since the 1st dynasty in Ancient Egypt. I guess you missed that one."

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  1. 2008-04-01 From: "Paul Robert Marino" <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] This is just wrong
  2. 2008-04-01 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] This is just wrong
  3. 2008-04-01 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] outrageous behavior in the market
  4. 2008-04-01 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Travel Taxes
  5. 2008-04-02 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: [nylug-talk] need to refer client for Red Hat help / OLPH project]
  6. 2008-04-03 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [dplist-at-danielpipes.org: #847: Pipes asks, "Will Europe Resist Islamization?" in Jer. Post]
  7. 2008-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Congestion Tax Wars
  8. 2008-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Brooklyn Congestion Price Fixing
  9. 2008-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Congestion Tax Wars II
  10. 2008-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Congestion Tax Price Fixing Web Site
  11. 2008-04-04 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Fighting back and keeping our unity
  12. 2008-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Spring Agenda - Meeting Result 3-4-08: Comments Requested]
  13. 2008-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Transit Taxes
  14. 2008-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Free The Subways, Because the Subways want to be FREE!
  15. 2008-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] This Pork Aint Kosher
  16. 2008-04-05 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tax the Internet
  17. 2008-04-05 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tax the Internet
  18. 2008-04-06 From: "Ronny Abraham" <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Tax the Internet
  19. 2008-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  20. 2008-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Congestion Travel Tax Destroyed Businesses in London
  21. 2008-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Manhattan this Friday, 4/11]
  22. 2008-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  23. 2008-04-07 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Trust the MTA. The MTA is your friend
  24. 2008-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: (Correction) Jelly in Manhattan this Friday, 4/11]
  25. 2008-04-08 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [johnmark-at-johnmark.org: [BALUG-Talk] BytesFree.org Call for Participation]
  26. 2008-04-09 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Passover
  27. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  28. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: hello]
  29. 2008-04-11 ronny abraham <ronny.coder-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  30. 2008-04-11 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com: Re: hello]
  31. 2008-04-11 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  32. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  33. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Summer Internship Programs
  34. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Summer Internship Programs
  35. 2008-04-11 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Music Video Conversion
  36. 2008-04-11 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Music Video Conversion
  37. 2008-04-11 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  38. 2008-04-12 From: "armando fonseca" <afonsec2-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Summer Internship Programs
  39. 2008-04-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  40. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [info-at-nomadsland.com: [501 Tech Club NY] Searching for Drupal Developer for Video Delivery Website]
  41. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NNTP Usenet access
  42. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  43. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  44. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: hello
  45. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com>
  46. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Video Location
  47. 2008-04-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  48. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  49. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  50. 2008-04-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  51. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  52. 2008-04-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  53. 2008-04-12 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  54. 2008-04-12 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  55. 2008-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  56. 2008-04-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson" <mlr52-at-mycouponmagic.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  57. 2008-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  58. 2008-04-13 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  59. 2008-04-13 From: "Victoria Berger" <victoria-at-innovision-systems.com> RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  60. 2008-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  61. 2008-04-13 From: "Victoria Berger" <victoria-at-innovision-systems.com> FW: SPAM-LOW: Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re:
  62. 2008-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] fun read: [rick-at-linuxmafia.com: Re: [conspire] Parts is Parts]
  63. 2008-04-13 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] The war on DVD's, Bloombergs new crusade..
  64. 2008-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ASUS PCEEE SDK
  65. 2008-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Regionalism and Your Representitives
  66. 2008-04-14 Mark Simko <msimko-at-optonline.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ASUS PCEEE SDK
  67. 2008-04-14 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] ASUS PCEEE SDK
  68. 2008-04-14 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [ward-at-pong.be: [JOB] - FSF seeks senior GNU/Linux Systems administrator and programmer]
  69. 2008-04-15 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [nyc-at-workatjelly.com: Jelly in Brooklyn this Friday, 4/18]
  70. 2008-04-16 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] debian on eeepc
  71. 2008-04-17 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Passover
  72. 2008-04-18 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [legcalendar-at-council.nyc.ny.us: Council Calendar - Week of 04.21.08]
  73. 2008-04-19 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Mission Statement: Spring Reminder
  74. 2008-04-21 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] super copyright: delayed justice?
  75. 2008-04-22 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [agravgaard-at-FLYPMEDIA.COM: Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source]
  76. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [agravgaard-at-FLYPMEDIA.COM: Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source]
  77. 2008-04-23 From: "Joshua Zeidner" <jjzeidner-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] [agravgaard-at-FLYPMEDIA.COM: Re: Interview Request: Flyp Media on Linux and Open Source]
  78. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] DRM is Theft ~~~still
  79. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
  80. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Food Rationing
  81. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] hacking GNU style
  82. 2008-04-23 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good Part II
  83. 2008-04-24 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
  84. 2008-04-24 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
  85. 2008-04-24 Michael L Richardson <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
  86. 2008-04-24 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] How to really mess up something good
  87. 2008-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meetings
  88. 2008-04-25 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meetings
  89. 2008-04-25 From: "Michael L. Richardson.com" <mlr52-at-michaellrichardson.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Next NYLXS Meetings
  90. 2008-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
  91. 2008-04-26 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
  92. 2008-04-26 Kevin Mark <kevin.mark-at-verizon.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
  93. 2008-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
  94. 2008-04-27 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [conspire] NYLXS Press Release on the OLPC Project
  95. 2008-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Attack on the NYLXS Server
  96. 2008-04-28 Ron Guerin <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Attack on the NYLXS Server
  97. 2008-04-28 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Attack on the NYLXS Server
  98. 2008-04-28 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] EEE with Touch Screen Planned
  99. 2008-04-28 Paul Robert Marino <prmarino1-at-gmail.com> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Attack on the NYLXS Server
  100. 2008-04-28 From: "Ron Guerin" <ron-at-vnetworx.net> Re: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] Re: [nylug-talk] Attack on the NYLXS Server
  101. 2008-04-30 Ruben Safir <ruben-at-mrbrklyn.com> Subject: [NYLXS - HANGOUT] More Human Memory from HP

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